Trump says he plans to put a 100% tariff on computer chips, likely pushing up cost of electronics

[Into the Night]

Roll them dice!

Your post dice won't work on anybody else, Random.

 

[Into the Night]

To get nanometer accuracy, you need to purify the silicon, etching, and other chemicals to an insane extent. If you use sand, everything breaks.

Silicon comes from sand, Wally. Integrated circuits are not etched.

ASML is the sole provider of extreme ultraviolet lithography machines,

ASML isn't the only company making ultraviolet lithography machines, Wally.

and it sure is not in either Texas nor Japan. ASM is the main provider of equipment that does atomic layer deposition, and Besi is the biggest maker of equipment that does chip packaging; both are also Dutch.

Not the only companies, Wally.

There are about a hundred other companies that each specialize in individual parts.

So?

They make mirrors,

The United States makes mirrors, Wally.

lasers, tin droplet producers, etc.

The United States makes lasers, Wally.

They are mostly in Europe,

Nope. They are made all over the world, Wally.

and all feed into the equipment makers in The Netherlands. Much of the chemical purification happens in Japan.

Nope. Chemical purification takes place all over the world, Wally.

The high end chips themselves are produced in Taiwan and South Korea, both are technically war zones.

Taiwan is not a war zone. South Korea is not a war zone.
LSI chips are also made in the Japan, the United States, Mexico, and in the EU.

Taiwan is very nervous about making themselves not essential.

You don't get to speak for everyone in Taiwan, Wally. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

They believe that because of their importance in chip manufacturing China will not invade them.

China won't invade them. That would destroy China's supply of chips.

 

[Into the Night]

YES increasing Corp. tax CAN raise prices IF the corps pass that increase in taxes on to the consumer.
Corps can only eat so much , When it starts hurting their bottom line enough they will increase prices and pass it on to the consumer.

You still have no idea how price discovery works, do you, Finger?

 

[Into the Night]

It actually is true. Now the imports of equipment to build American manufacturing will require 15% tariffs, and an absolutely huge amount of origin paperwork. That is true about parts, also, no matter how minor.

Manufacturing in the United States is not subject to tariff, Wally.

It is still unclear how high tariffs will be on chemical inputs from Japan. But the paperwork requirements will be worse.

What 'chemical inputs from Japan', Wally???

This is all adding months or even years onto a race where weeks matter.

What 'race', Wally?

 

[Into the Night]

we can build those tools too.

why are you so stupid?

Wally seems to think that integrated circuits are made of Unobtainium.

 

[Into the Night]

And AGAIN stupid it take TIME to build the infrastructure to make everything here

Already there, Finger.

and IF a company is going to invest billions in new infrastructure they want to see a good ROI.

And they generally do.

and if it is cheaper for them to keep importing the parts they need to build their product they will keep importing them.

Things manufactured in the United States are not imported, Finger.

And if you think they are not going to put as much automation and AI into these new factories you are really stupid.

Who said they wouldn't? So?

They will only be hiring as few people as they can.

Obviously you are unaware that AI will require MORE people to keep it running and maintained?

WHY are YOU so stupid?

No, that would be you, Finger.

 

[Walt]

Taiwan is not a war zone. South Korea is not a war zone.

Taiwan has never signed a treaty ending its war with China, they just created a ceasefire. South Korea and North Korea have never ended their war, they just created a ceasefire. These are technically war zones, but with frozen wars. In theory, the wars could start up again at any time.

They are all technically at war, but de facto not so much.

 

[Walt]

we can build those tools too.

why are you so stupid?

Believe what you want. It does not make it true.

 

[Walt]

What 'race', Wally?

Among others the race for AGI.

 

[Into the Night]

Um, doesn't the government use a lot of computers?

Yup. Really stupid ones. They are barely past the age of pushing mountains of paper around.

Didn't the #FatassFascist vow to cut govt. spending?

Who is FatassFascist? There is no such user here. People on JPP don't cut government spending.

How does raising the cost of things the govt. buys accomplish that?

Now you whine about the high inflation during the economic depression during the Obama/Biden years, and again during the Biden/Obama years?

 

[Into the Night]

Believe what you want. It does not make it true.

It already happened, Wally. Where were you?

 

[Into the Night]

Among others the race for AGI.

What 'race', Wally?

 

[Walt]

It already happened, Wally. Where were you?

Name some of the American companies that make extreme ultraviolet lithography machines?

 

[Based Chad]

Believe what you want. It does not make it true.

ok, negative nellie.

 

[Hawkeye10]

ok, negative nellie.

Almost Never Right WALT has no intention of telling the truth.

 

[Based Chad]

Almost Never Right WALT has no intention of telling the truth.

he has a filthy soul.

 

[Based Chad]

Name some of the American companies that make extreme ultraviolet lithography machines?

holy fuck you're a visionless rube.

 

[Hawkeye10]

holy fuck you're a visionless rube.

WALT is an Olympic Class Liar.

 

[Hawkeye10]

he has a filthy soul.

Whom ever drives WALT is Evil.

 

[Walt]

Name some of the American companies that make extreme ultraviolet lithography machines?

@Hawkeye10 @Based Chad @Into the Night