Trump says he plans to put a 100% tariff on computer chips, likely pushing up cost of electronics

[Nomad]

The only day that ever existed for the pathetic communist vermin...



Childish games as all anyone will ever get from you, noballs.



Obama god - Orange man bad.

We get it, comrade.



You've said nothing. You lie and throw temper tantrums because NO FAIR Trump kept Obama from a 4th term.

 

[Walt]

we better do dumb shit because you say so.

The UK found itself the only country fighting Nazi Germany. They had lost the entire continent, and were hiding on an island off the continent. They had no allies. So they found allies. They made alliances with the USA, and with the USSR. It was just common sense; not "dumb shit."

As we move into second place in the races that we desperately need to win, it is time to look around for allies. We might not be able to do it alone, but with allies we can do it.

if china's an enemy we shoudd have done tariffs 30 years ago.

better late than never.

how am I wrong?

The interesting thing about a wall is the size of both sides makes all the difference of who is being walled off. If on one side, there is an acre and on the other side a million acres, the one acre side is walled off.

North Korea has walled itself into poverty, because it is smaller than the rest of the world. North Korea has not walled the rest of the world into poverty, because we do not need North Korea.

We can keep the balance of power, if we have strong alliances with many other countries. Instead, trump is building walls against them. A wall with China and the rest of the world on one side, and the USA on the other, begins to look like we are walled off, not China.

 

[Uncensored2008]

GM was not completely controlled by the government, so by your theory that would not be nationalization.

No one said they were, Always lying walt. Obama took a 62% controlling interest in GM - which is the definition of nationalizing, He also took operational control - our dictator ran the company.

In fact, there does not have to be any control to make it nationalization.

Lying again, walt?

If there is government ownership or control, it is nationalization. Intel is being 10% nationalized. Well, a little more than 10%, because trump is demanding golden share rights to have full control under certain circumstances.

ROFL - you try so hard - but fail so spectactularly.

Try dabbling in fact once in a great while - you'll get further.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Oh look, the 3rd grade dropout is jealous again.

You going to try again for the GED, noballs? Maybe 30th try is the charm?

 

[Based Chad]

The UK found itself the only country fighting Nazi Germany. They had lost the entire continent, and were hiding on an island off the continent. They had no allies. So they found allies. They made alliances with the USA, and with the USSR. It was just common sense; not "dumb shit."

As we move into second place in the races that we desperately need to win, it is time to look around for allies. We might not be able to do it alone, but with allies we can do it.


The interesting thing about a wall is the size of both sides makes all the difference of who is being walled off. If on one side, there is an acre and on the other side a million acres, the one acre side is walled off.

North Korea has walled itself into poverty, because it is smaller than the rest of the world. North Korea has not walled the rest of the world into poverty, because we do not need North Korea.

We can keep the balance of power, if we have strong alliances with many other countries. Instead, trump is building walls against them. A wall with China and the rest of the world on one side, and the USA on the other, begins to look like we are walled off, not China.

blah blah

tldr.

 

[Nomad]

Oh look at me, the 3rd grade dropout, jealous again.

I'm going to try again for the GED, though I have no balls. Maybe 30th try is the charm?

 

[Into the Night]

Taiwan has never signed a treaty ending its war with China,

What 'war with China'? Taiwan is not at war.

they just created a ceasefire. South Korea and North Korea have never ended their war, they just created a ceasefire.

Neither South Korea nor North Korea are at war (but North Korea would like to be!).

These are technically war zones, but with frozen wars. In theory, the wars could start up again at any time.

They are all technically at war, but de facto not so much.

They are not war zones, Wally. Downtown L.A. is more of a war zone now, thanks to Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

Believe what you want. It does not make it true.

Inversion fallacy. You can't blame your Doom and Gloom predictions on anybody else, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

Name some of the American companies that make extreme ultraviolet lithography machines?

There is no such thing as 'extreme ultraviolet lithography', Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

WALT is an Olympic Class Liar.

Nah. Just a liar, like other Democrats. He's even lousy at it.
Now he's all twisted up in his Doom and Gloom and trying to justify it by stating that companies in the United States are incapable of manufacturing tools, supplies, and equipment.

 

[Into the Night]

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Logistics controllers don't work on a warehouse floor, Normy.

 

[Into the Night]

The company ASML is the world's sole producer of these systems.However, the U.S. company KLA Corporation is a key player in the broader EUV ecosystem, providing crucial components like metrology and inspection equipment, which are essential for the high-density microchip manufacturing enabled by EUV technology

American companies that make surface mount (SMT) machines include DDM Novastar, which targets small and medium-sized businesses and prototype development, and Nordson Corporation, a major player in the SMT equipment market.Other significant SMT companies in the US include KLA Corporation, which is a key player in the market, and Aerotech, Inc., which is listed as a manufacturer of mounters in the United States.

I have seen Surface Mount machines in operation and they are amazing.

US and Japanese companies also build their own systems. ASML isn't the only producer.

 

[Into the Night]

As I said.


So the sole Dutch company is the sole producer of ultraviolet lithography machines,

It is not. Such machines are also built in the US and in Japan.

and there are various other companies around the world(including the USA) that provide essential parts of the production? Which is exactly what I said.

No, it isn't what you said, Wally. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

High end chip production has become a complex international network of sole providing experts. It would cost quite a bit of money and time to try to replace that.

Why are you trying to replace it?

I used to be quite impressed with it, back in the 1980's. It was originally invented by the East Germans, back before the wall came down.

What was invented by the 'East Germans', Wally?

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, and J6 was just a peaceful gathering.

No. Democrats rioted.

Fuck you if you think I'm going to indulge you and your childish word games.

You can't blame your word games on anybody else, Normy.

I've explained the difference between what Obama did with GM and the SOCIALIST deal trump is cooking up with Intel.

Obama nationalized GM.
Trump is not nationalizing Intel.

 

[Into the Night]

I said that Obama had a limited nationalization of GM, and that trump has an unlimited partial nationalization of Intel. That is just reality.

Obama nationalized GM.
Trump is not nationalizing Intel.

 

[Into the Night]

GM was not completely controlled by the government, so by your theory that would not be nationalization.

GM was completely controlled by the government.

In fact, there does not have to be any control to make it nationalization.

Yes there does. GM was completely controlled by the government.

If there is government ownership or control, it is nationalization.

Okay. Obama nationalized GM.

Intel is being 10% nationalized.

It is not possible to '10% nationalize'.

Well, a little more than 10%, because trump is demanding golden share rights to have full control under certain circumstances.

He doesn't, Wally. 10% is not control.

 

[Into the Night]

Humanity is on the verge of making robots that can do most of the actions of human beings.

Fearing for your job?

Two thirds of he companies that make the components of these robots are in China.

Components are made in house, Wally.

That leaves one third that is outside China, which is enough for us to progress as long as we have strong alliances.

US produced components are not subject to tariff, Wally.

Queue trump.

trump is tearing up our alliances, and creating high tariff walls to any innovation. The Chinese will not have these high tariff walls, so will win the competition for general robots.

The current tariff of Chinese imports is 30%. The current rate of US goods imported to China is 50%.

Because of trump, they will definitely eat our lunch on this, and many other races. And you will keep pointing at me saying it is my fault. I am literally doing everything I can think of to hold this sinking ship together. I cannot do it on my own. We need trump to stop destroying America.

You are a nothing, Wally. America is not being destroyed.

 

[Into the Night]

There is a lot of specializing that goes into making high tech components, which require specialists.

So?

That takes decades to develop.

So?

trump is eroding our universities as we speak,

Universities don't make components, Wally.

so the clock on those decades would start when he left office.

Trump doesn't manufacture robot components either, Wally.

The Chinese are within months or maybe a few years of cost effective general robots. We do not have decades.

So is the US, Wally. What 'decades' are you talking about???

With the industrial revolution, you were either one of the first, or you were in the third world.

There is only one Earth, Wally.

There were second and third waves of opportunities to get into the first world, but they were more difficult, and massively delayed.

There is only one Earth, Wally.

There is a real chance we may end up in the new third world (with the third world slipping into the fourth world). If we end up in the third world trap, it might take a century to get out of it... And we might never.

There is only one Earth, Wally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Poor noballs - lacking the wits to engage on an adult level.

 

[Nomad]

Poor me. I have noballs - and I'm lacking the wits to engage on an adult level.

So what're you whining about?

Looking for pity?

Sounds like you're getting more than enough from yourself.