TX schools will now teach that Civil War was all about slavery!!!

Text Drivers are Killers said:
No authority??? HAHAHA. Lincoln shut down hundreds of northern newspapers for supporting the war. What authority did he have for that.??

If lincoln was fighting to free the slaves he would have told the slave owning states to abolish slavery or go with the south. THINK
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Woulda shoulda coulda but that isn’t what happened. It wasn’t Lincoln or the Union who fought to end slavery. It was The South that started the war to protect slavery. Ending slavery only became a war goal for the Union when it became apparent slavery had to be destroyed for the Union to win the war and preserve the Union. Lincoln always said, prior to the war, he would protect slavery where it currently existed and was protected by the Constitution.

When Lincoln issued his famous Emancipation Proclamation, he only ended slavery in states that were in rebellion against the law. Which he had a legal right to do. He did not nor could not legally end slavery in any of the States not rebelling as he had no legal authority to do so. That was accomplished via the Thirteenth Amendment.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
well this was a big pile of horseshit. Lincoln himself said he didn't give a fuck about the slaves at first. just more history revisionism.
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Well that’s an exaggeration. Lincoln always opposed slavery and free labor was a primary policy position of the foundling Republican Party. What Lincoln said he would do was respect slavery where it was currently Constitutionally protected but oppose its expansion into the territory’s.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well that’s an exaggeration. Lincoln always opposed slavery and free labor was a primary policy position of the foundling Republican Party. What Lincoln said he would do was respect slavery where it was currently Constitutionally protected but oppose its expansion into the territory’s.
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oh, so he only gave a little fuck about slavery......................got it.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Third, if I may, ya lost, grow the fuck up and move on.
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Actually that’s how these Lost Cause Mythologies have gotten so deeply entrenched that people believe them as fact. After the war the rest of the country just wanted to get on with life and focus on the booming industrialization and progress and letting the South believe what it wanted to believe because they were an economic, cultural and intellectual backwater at that and not taken to seriously by the rest of the Nation who had moved on.

But in the South rationalizing how they lost a war for such a terrible cause became very important and in the late 19th Century they funded polemicist who concocted these Lost Cause mythologies that rationalized and romanticized their deafest. At that time the rest of the nation rolled their eyes and ignored them.

In retrospect maybe they shouldn’t have as these mythologies about the American Civil War have become pervasive and, as you can see from the discussion here, many people still erroneously believe these mythologies as fact.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
i'm curious about a supposed mindset of the northerners views on this............do you believe that because the north won the civil war, that the founders writings and the constitution is no longer in effect?
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No...I think most Northerners mindset is that we lost the Civil War. We got to keep the South. ;)
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so you're saying that the union declined to enforce the law?
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No, actually the Federal Government did attempt, with varying degrees of success, to enforce the fugitive slave act. Many here in Ohio were prosecuted under the fugitive slave act for hiding and protecting run away slaves. They were prosecuted in federal courts as slavery was unlawful in Ohio.

In fact Lincoln’s secretary of the Treasury, Salmon P. Chase, first became famous in Ohio for defending people charged under the fugitive slave act. He lost many of those cases in federal court and those who lost, their lives were destroyed.

Shows you how much the Slave States gave a shit about Ohio’s States Rights.
 
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kudzu said:
With the introduction of the cotton gin the number of slaves needed was declining.. and they were in fact becoming a burden for most planters.
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?????????????? The cotton gin increased the number of slaves and land needed. Dramatically.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No, actually the Federal Government did attempt, with varying degrees of success, to enforce the fugitive slave act. Many here in Ohio were prosecuted under the fugitive slave act for hiding and protecting run away slaves. They were prosecuted in federal courts as slavery was unlawful in Ohio.

In fact Lincoln’s secretary of the Treasury, Salmon P. Chase, first became famous in Ohio for defending people charged under the fugitive slave act. He lost many of those cases in federal court and those who lost their lives were destroyed.

Shows you how much the Slave States gave a shit about Ohio’s States Rights.
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well this says that lincoln clearly didn't care about slaves, in general, therefore wasn't his reason for the war.
 
We fought to preserve the union. The south left over slavery. The southern states issued ArticlesSecession fleshing out their reasons. They were slavery and states rights. The right of a state to have slaves, they meant.
 
floridafan said:
In Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional
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so the United States Supreme Court ignored the reasons why the founding fathers created the federal government and by issuance of this opinion, changed the federal government to one of we the people, to one of we the elite.

maybe they should have had the Declaration of Independence read to them during the case.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so the United States Supreme Court ignored the reasons why the founding fathers created the federal government and by issuance of this opinion, changed the federal government to one of we the people, to one of we the elite.

maybe they should have had the Declaration of Independence read to them during the case.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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LOL
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
How many times must we explain this??? Everyone agrees the south supported slavery and it was a major reason why they seceded. But the south did not want a war and did not start one. There should have never been a civil war. The union should have let the south go.

Secession is very common in history.
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bullshit
 
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