Unemployment: Obama vs REAGAN (OMG!!)

Lowaicue said:
well, why dont you show, with verifiable evidence, that it is not true? For you to use the term 'shallow minded' is rich. You would be inundated by a skid mark.
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prove the negative?.....well some thoughts......we are in Iraq because Iraq invaded Kuwait, true?.....so was it the US or Iraq that was 'war-mongering'.....we wouldn't have had to go BACK to Iraq if France and Russia hadn't preferred selling arms to Hussien over backing the UN up on bringing about peace.....so was it the US or France/Russia that were 'war mongers'?.......

did we 'monger' the war in Eastern Europe?....did we 'monger' the violence in Lebanon or the Sudan?......perhaps we have 'mongered' the long standing dispute between Pakistan and India......or that between North Korea and everyone in the world......are we 'mongering' unrest between classes in South America by spreading oil money to radical politicians?......what exactly does our 'mongering' look like?..........who exactly has been the victim of this claimed US 'imperialism'?........
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
prove the negative?.....well some thoughts......we are in Iraq because Iraq invaded Kuwait, true?.....so was it the US or Iraq that was 'war-mongering'.....we wouldn't have had to go BACK to Iraq if France and Russia hadn't preferred selling arms to Hussien over backing the UN up on bringing about peace.....so was it the US or France/Russia that were 'war mongers'?.......

did we 'monger' the war in Eastern Europe?....did we 'monger' the violence in Lebanon or the Sudan?......perhaps we have 'mongered' the long standing dispute between Pakistan and India......or that between North Korea and everyone in the world......are we 'mongering' unrest between classes in South America by spreading oil money to radical politicians?......what exactly does our 'mongering' look like?..........who exactly has been the victim of this claimed US 'imperialism'?........
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You didn't HAVE to go back to Iraq. You didn't HAVE to invade Iraq in the first place. You didn't HAVE to go into Vietnam. But lets look at where the American boot stomped the faces of the innocent shall we?

Afghanistan (with the UK) The USA newspaper, Washington Post, publishes a report that USA soldiers use a secret tactic of leaving weapons as bait and shooting or arresting anyone who picks them up. Anyone killed is then labelled an "enemy combatant" and used to proclaim success of USA military policy.

Pakistan (by installing puppet Musharraf and opposing his removal...with UK)

Iraq (lies told by bush et al. Total fabrication and personal vendetta)
Some of the consequences of the USA invasion and occupation of Iraq (from United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq and Save the Children):
One out of six people in Iraq displaced from their homes.
122,000 children in Iraq did not reach their fifth birthdays in the year 2005.
54% of people in Iraq live on less than $1 per day (15% live on less than $0.50 per day.
70% of people in Iraq lack access to potable (drinkable) water.
43 % of children in Iraq under five years old suffer a form of malnourishment; 23% suffer from chronic malnourishment; 8% suffer acute malnourishment.

Then there's this in Kosovo: The USA and UK bomb Kosovo and Serbia under a NATO umbrella. One NATO member, Turkey, threatens to veto the action until the USA gave assurances that Turkey's treatment of the Kurds would not be punished in a similar way.
The bombing lasts for 78 days and kills many civilians as residential areas are targeted in Belgrade. The residence of the president, Slobodan Milosevic, is attacked in an apparent assassination attempt. The USA declares that the bombing is for humanitarian purposes but, in one answer, the USA president Bill Clinton states:
"If we're going to have a strong economic relationship that includes our ability to sell around the world, Europe has got to be a key....That's what this Kosovo thing is all about."

1980: The USA also sent arms to Iran secretly via Israel; both countries hoping a military coup would take place.
1979: The USA vetoes six United Nations resolutions concerning economics, women's rights and nuclear arms.
Vietnam: The USA blockade of Vietnam is criticised by Telford Taylor, the chief USA prosecutor in the Nuremberg Trials (of Nazi Germany after World War II). He writes:
"We have smashed the country to bits and [we] will not even take the trouble to clean up the blood and rubble. Somehow we have failed to learn the lessons we undertook to teach at Nuremberg."
1973: 600 Ilois families (holding UK passports) are expelled from the Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean by the UK. One of the islands, Diego Garcia, is then leased to the USA as a military base.
The islanders are sent to Mauritius where they are left without money or help. It takes years for compensation to be given and then only if they renounce their rights of residence on the islands.
This action violates the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights which states that "no one should be subjected to arbitrary exile," and "everyone has the right to return to [their] country".

And just a few more for luck (as they say)
In the list below only successful changes of government are listed. Many attempts have failed. Cuba is the best example of this.

1949 Syria Communism Elected government against USA political interests and pro-Palestinian.
1949 Greece Communism Elected government against USA political and economic interests.
1952 Cuba Elected government against USA business interests.
1953 Iran Elected government against USA oil interests.
1953 British Guyana Access to sugar and bauxite.
1954 Guatemala Communism Elected government against USA business interests.
1955 South Vietnam Communism French backed leader replaced by USA backed leader.
1957 Haiti Haiti is near the USA Previous government against USA business interests.
1958 Laos Pro-USA government wanted.
1959 Laos Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 South Korea Communism Previous leader not strong enough for USA.
1960 Laos Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 Ecuador Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1963 Dominican Republic Business Interests Elected government against USA business interests.
1963 South Vietnam Previous leader's policies led to televised suicides.
1963 Honduras Communism Pro-USA government and access to resources.
1963 Guatemala Communism Military government was about to allow elections.
1963 Ecuador Elected government too independent.
1964 Brazil Communism Access to resources and cheap labour.
1964 Bolivia Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1965 Zaire Access to cobalt, copper and diamonds.
1966 Ghana Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
1967 Greece Military bases.
1970 Cambodia Previous king against USA political interests.
1970 Bolivia Country took ownership of its oil and tin.
1972 El Salvador Communism Elected leader against USA business interests.
1973 Chile Communism Elected government against USA business interests.
1975 Australia N Elected government had unsuitable foreign policy.
1979 South Korea Pro-USA government wanted.
1980 Liberia Democracy Pro-USA government wanted.
1982 Chad None Pro-USA government wanted.
1983 Grenada Democracy Pro-USA government wanted.
1987 Fiji Democracy Previous elected government supported nuclear-free Pacific.
2002 Venezuela Disagreed with foreign policy of elected government.
2004 Haiti Fraudulent elections Disagreed with economic policy of elected government.
2009 Honduras Attempted to Change Constitution Disagreed with economic and foreign policy of elected government.

Now, if you will excuse me, I am retiring for the night.
 
Lowaicue said:
Tell me idiot child, where I said taken over and controlled. HK was NOT taken over by force 150 years ago. British traders settled on a basically uninhabited island, much as they did at Plymouth Rock. Control was NOT 'handed' over. Control was part of a 99 year agreement with China. The 99 years was up on 1st July 1997. We HONOURED that agreement. HONOUR. Understand stupid boy?
I said that you ARE the most warmongering nation. I did not say that you have ALWAYS been the most warmongering nation. NO nation has caused more conflict in recent years than the UNPRINCIPLED States of America.
And, idiot child, I do NOT hate the US. I like and admire the US. I think that under various loony right wing governments you have screwed your own country and in a large part screwed the world. And I despise gun totin idiots who think that killing people will bring them round to loving america.
Don't pretend the overseas aid is charity. That makes you appear unbelievably naive. No one believes that crock of shit any more. It's INVESTMENT. Pure investment!
So, twat, get your facts straight before you show off your all-american intelligence in public.
Any more?
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Well, it must truly suck for you to have an 'idiot child' be the one to educate you. It tells us all a little more about your intellect (or lack thereof).

You were harping on the IMPERIALISTIC US. When you state 'take your imperialism' and shove it.... perhaps you should actually educate yourself on the meaning of the words you use PRIOR to using them.

im⋅pe⋅ri⋅al⋅ism
" the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies."

yes, your admiration of the US shows through in every post you make about how evil we are. How could anyone possibly have mistaken your admiration for hate?

Our charity is "investment"??? ROFLMAO... let me guess, you are going to provide us examples of the US government giving to Israel and Egypt? Ignoring (as most arrogant Europeans do) that the bulk of US charitable giving is done on the PRIVATE side. Building roads, drilling drinking wells, building schools etc... This is just another example of your 'admiration' of the US. Trying to demean what we give because you feel bad that your imperialistic country crumbled.

side note british boy.... The UK was right there with us in Afghanistan and Iraq.

side note 2: Hong Kong was originally acquired due to the British involvement in the Opium War. China was forced to cede Hong Kong. Hong Kong was not a part of the 99 year lease you twit. It was agreed that it would go over to Chinese control in 1984 along with the northern territories that WERE a part of the 99 year lease. If you are going to live there, you might want to bone up on the history of the island.
 
1949 Syria Communism Elected government against USA political interests and pro-Palestinian. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Syria?
1949 Greece Communism Elected government against USA political and economic interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Greece?
1952 Cuba Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Cuba?
1953 Iran Elected government against USA oil interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Iran?
1953 British Guyana Access to sugar and bauxite. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in British Guyana? at the very least we should have changed the name to American Guyana....
1954 Guatemala Communism Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Guatemala?
1955 South Vietnam Communism French backed leader replaced by USA backed leader. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Vietnam?
1957 Haiti Haiti is near the USA Previous government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Haiti?
1958 Laos Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Laos?
1959 Laos Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 South Korea Communism Previous leader not strong enough for USA.
1960 Laos Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in South Korea?
1960 Ecuador Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Equador?
1963 Dominican Republic Business Interests Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Dominica?
1963 South Vietnam Previous leader's policies led to televised suicides.
1963 Honduras Communism Pro-USA government and access to resources. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Honduras?
1963 Guatemala Communism Military government was about to allow elections.
1963 Ecuador Elected government too independent.
1964 Brazil Communism Access to resources and cheap labour. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Brazil?
1964 Bolivia Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Bolivia?
1965 Zaire Access to cobalt, copper and diamonds. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Zaire?
1966 Ghana Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Ghana?
1967 Greece Military bases.
1970 Cambodia Previous king against USA political interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Cambodia
1970 Bolivia Country took ownership of its oil and tin.
1972 El Salvador Communism Elected leader against USA business interests. I'm trying not to be repetitive, did we do El Salvador already?
1979 South Korea Pro-USA government wanted.
1980 Liberia Democracy Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Liberia?
1982 Chad None Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Chad
1983 Grenada Democracy Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Grenada
1987 Fiji Democracy Previous elected government supported nuclear-free Pacific. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Fiji
2002 Venezuela Disagreed with foreign policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Venezuela
2004 Haiti Fraudulent elections Disagreed with economic policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Haiti/COLOR]
2009 Honduras Attempted to Change Constitution Disagreed with economic and foreign policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Honduras?

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PostmodernProphet said:
1949 Syria Communism Elected government against USA political interests and pro-Palestinian. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Syria?
1949 Greece Communism Elected government against USA political and economic interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Greece?
1952 Cuba Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Cuba?
1953 Iran Elected government against USA oil interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Iran?
1953 British Guyana Access to sugar and bauxite. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in British Guyana? at the very least we should have changed the name to American Guyana....
1954 Guatemala Communism Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Guatemala?
1955 South Vietnam Communism French backed leader replaced by USA backed leader. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Vietnam?
1957 Haiti Haiti is near the USA Previous government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Haiti?
1958 Laos Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Laos?
1959 Laos Pro-USA government wanted.
1960 South Korea Communism Previous leader not strong enough for USA.
1960 Laos Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in South Korea?
1960 Ecuador Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Equador?
1963 Dominican Republic Business Interests Elected government against USA business interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Dominica?
1963 South Vietnam Previous leader's policies led to televised suicides.
1963 Honduras Communism Pro-USA government and access to resources. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Honduras?
1963 Guatemala Communism Military government was about to allow elections.
1963 Ecuador Elected government too independent.
1964 Brazil Communism Access to resources and cheap labour. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Brazil?
1964 Bolivia Communism Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Bolivia?
1965 Zaire Access to cobalt, copper and diamonds. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Zaire?
1966 Ghana Previous government too independent in foreign policy. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Ghana?
1967 Greece Military bases.
1970 Cambodia Previous king against USA political interests. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Cambodia
1970 Bolivia Country took ownership of its oil and tin.
1972 El Salvador Communism Elected leader against USA business interests. I'm trying not to be repetitive, did we do El Salvador already?
1979 South Korea Pro-USA government wanted.
1980 Liberia Democracy Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Liberia?
1982 Chad None Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Chad
1983 Grenada Democracy Pro-USA government wanted. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Grenada
1987 Fiji Democracy Previous elected government supported nuclear-free Pacific. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Fiji
2002 Venezuela Disagreed with foreign policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Venezuela
2004 Haiti Fraudulent elections Disagreed with economic policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Haiti/COLOR]
2009 Honduras Attempted to Change Constitution Disagreed with economic and foreign policy of elected government. and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in Honduras?

Now, if you will excuse me, I am retiring for the night.
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"...and thus we have an imperialistic puppet government in place in [Syria, Greece, Venezuela, et al]?

Who's this "WE" you're talking about? WE have a federal constitutional republic. THEY have whatever they have. It's certainly not up to us to impose our form of government on anyone else. And it's utterly immoral to sacrifice lives, American and other, in that imposition.
 
Annie said:
Well except the price of oil, which IS in our national interest. Well it was, maybe not anymore with a new economic system?
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How many innocent lives are you prepared to pay for a gallon of petrol? one? ten? one hundred? Cheap anyway. They were only wogs!
 
Norman Paperman said:
I don't give a rip what the unemployment rate was under Reagan. I don't care what it was under Bush I, Clinton, or Bush II. None of them are President. None of them swore that the unemployment rate would stay below 8% if their stimulus package were passed. Obama did. This is on him. Welcome to the Obama economy.
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Can I get an:

AMEN!​
 
Lowaicue said:
Whether he did or didn't it had absolutely nothing to do with America.
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????.....was the Gulf War an American war?......I seem to recall a few other countries there....and wait....some UN resolutions as well.....and UN inspectors on the ground for years afterwards....why don't you just say whether Hussein did or not had absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world.....
 
Lowaicue said:
How many innocent lives are you prepared to pay for a gallon of petrol? one? ten? one hundred? Cheap anyway. They were only wogs!
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and how many were you prepared to pay so France and Russia could sell another hundred million dollars of weaponry to Saddam?.......
 
Superfreak said:
Sanctimonious moron.... how many are paying in the Sudan right now due to China?
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I keep getting told this is an American site. So this is YET ANOTHER 'Yah-boo he did it too' childish comment.
I do not know the answer to YOUR question. If I did I would have no problem answering it. So what is a gallon of petrol worth to you?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
????.....was the Gulf War an American war?......I seem to recall a few other countries there....and wait....some UN resolutions as well.....and UN inspectors on the ground for years afterwards....why don't you just say whether Hussein did or not had absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world.....
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It was instigated by the US. It was led by the US. And ONCE AGAIN its a 'Yah-boo you did it too' response.
Grow up for fucks sake.
 
Lowaicue said:
It was instigated by the US. It was led by the US. And ONCE AGAIN its a 'Yah-boo you did it too' response.
Grow up for fucks sake.
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???...it isn't a "you did it, too" response.....I am pointing out that pretty much the entire world acted in response to Hussein's invasion of Kuwait...it wasn't "instigated" by the US, it was "instigated" by his invasion.....

just as every diplomatic and military action you previously listed (and all the responses to it that you have conveniently ignored) show the US acting in response to something......and generally in response to something that the entire free world responded to in like fashion....
 
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