Unemployment: Obama vs REAGAN (OMG!!)

[Lowaicue]

???...it isn't a "you did it, too" response.....I am pointing out that pretty much the entire world acted in response to Hussein's invasion of Kuwait...it wasn't "instigated" by the US, it was "instigated" by his invasion.....

just as every diplomatic and military action you previously listed (and all the responses to it that you have conveniently ignored) show the US acting in response to something......and generally in response to something that the entire free world responded to in like fashion....

You just do not understand. It is NOT up to America or anyone to interfere in another nation's affairs unless that country, with UN agreement, has requested involvement. Why do you find that so difficult to understand?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You just do not understand. It is NOT up to America or anyone to interfere in another nation's affairs unless that country, with UN agreement, has requested involvement. Why do you find that so difficult to understand?

perhaps because you are ignoring the fact that Kuwait DID request the world's involvement....and that the UN was involved.....have you already forgotten WHY there were weapon's inspectors?.....are you suggesting the world had no right to act because IRAQ didn't request "interference" in it's affairs?......

 

[Lowaicue]

perhaps because you are ignoring the fact that Kuwait DID request the world's involvement....and that the UN was involved.....have you already forgotten WHY there were weapon's inspectors?.....are you suggesting the world had no right to act because IRAQ didn't request "interference" in it's affairs?......

Kuwait drilled into an Iraqi oilfield. Here's a little quote: Although this region had been governed as part of southern Iraq during the Ottoman Empire, the emirate had been separated by the UK from Iraq and set up with a friendly Emir (king). Iraqi claims to the territory are resisted with UK troops.
Iraq would finally invade Kuwait in 1990. The USA magazine, Time, would then tell its readers that Iraq's claims to Kuwait were "without any historical basis."

There certainly were weapons inspectors. One such was Hans Blix who reported that he had found no evidence to support the bush claim. Bush could see the world was turning against him and precipitated the action. Blair was complicit and poodled behind him. At least the UK electorate had the guts to severely censure him.
There were NO weapons of mass destruction. Blix said there were NO weapons of mass destruction, your own Colin Powell KNEW there were no weapons of mass destruction but was scared to say so. The entire PNAC mob knew there were no weapons of mass destruction.
The 'world' might well have had the right to take action. One thing is known everywhere apart from RW America. AMERICA HAD NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO INVADE A SOVEREIGN NATION.

 

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I keep getting told this is an American site. So this is YET ANOTHER 'Yah-boo he did it too' childish comment.
I do not know the answer to YOUR question. If I did I would have no problem answering it. So what is a gallon of petrol worth to you?

This site was created by an American, but it is open to everyone. Even if it was an "American" site... that doesn't mean we are restricted to discussing America you half wit.

Right now... $2.51 per gallon.

The point you moron is that EVERYONE who uses oil (which is the bulk of the world population) is complicit in the deaths of those who are in the way of the oil. You obviously (in your 'admiration' of the US) once again try to paint the US as evil... yet The very country you live in has blocked the UN from the Sudan due to its oil contracts. I know you arrogant Europeans probably don't give a shit about Darfur, but millions have died their due to the genocide. Yet you spend your time harping about the US and all its evils.

But of course, you do so because you 'admire' the US so much.

 

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Kuwait drilled into an Iraqi oilfield. Here's a little quote: Although this region had been governed as part of southern Iraq during the Ottoman Empire, the emirate had been separated by the UK from Iraq and set up with a friendly Emir (king). Iraqi claims to the territory are resisted with UK troops.
Iraq would finally invade Kuwait in 1990. The USA magazine, Time, would then tell its readers that Iraq's claims to Kuwait were "without any historical basis."

There certainly were weapons inspectors. One such was Hans Blix who reported that he had found no evidence to support the bush claim. Bush could see the world was turning against him and precipitated the action. Blair was complicit and poodled behind him. At least the UK electorate had the guts to severely censure him.
There were NO weapons of mass destruction. Blix said there were NO weapons of mass destruction, your own Colin Powell KNEW there were no weapons of mass destruction but was scared to say so. The entire PNAC mob knew there were no weapons of mass destruction.
The 'world' might well have had the right to take action. One thing is known everywhere apart from RW America. AMERICA HAD NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO INVADE A SOVEREIGN NATION.

FREE TIBET!!!

Side note... Iraq did not have the right to invade Kuwait.

 

[Lowaicue]

FREE TIBET!!!

Side note... Iraq did not have the right to invade Kuwait.

What exactly do you mean by 'FREE TIBET'? Did you know, for instance that there was a time in the past when part of China was owned by Tibet? Did you know that for much of Tibet's history it has paid a 'tithe' to China for protection? (naturally since it has no army of its own). The history of Tibet and, indeed, China, is something with which I doubt you are familiar. I, also, could be much more familiar than I am. But I do have people who I meet almost every day, who I can ask. I had, as one of my employees, an ex PLA soldier who had been a Red Guard during the cultural revolution. I had a student who had gone with his TV station employer, into Tibet and who gave me his personal experiences and helped me understand some of the history.
Note: I am NOT condoning the treatment of Tibetans by China, merely trying to seperate the wood from the trees.
But please, please do not fall into the trap, the easy black and white, good and bad, right and wrong trap that simple minds accept because, after all Richard Gere is a famous star!

 

[Damocles]

What exactly do you mean by 'FREE TIBET'? Did you know, for instance that there was a time in the past when part of China was owned by Tibet? Did you know that for much of Tibet's history it has paid a 'tithe' to China for protection? (naturally since it has no army of its own). The history of Tibet and, indeed, China, is something with which I doubt you are familiar. I, also, could be much more familiar than I am. But I do have people who I meet almost every day, who I can ask. I had, as one of my employees, an ex PLA soldier who had been a Red Guard during the cultural revolution. I had a student who had gone with his TV station employer, into Tibet and who gave me his personal experiences and helped me understand some of the history.
Note: I am NOT condoning the treatment of Tibetans by China, merely trying to seperate the wood from the trees.
But please, please do not fall into the trap, the easy black and white, good and bad, right and wrong trap that simple minds accept because, after all Richard Gere is a famous star!

Right, but heck stereotype away with the US and make sure that its a simplistic as possible.

You: US Bad, China Good.

Us: What are you talking about? Last I heard it sucks to be run over by tanks or to live nearby and have no standing army!

You: US Bad, China Good, and you don't understand China so there!

 

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What exactly do you mean by 'FREE TIBET'? Did you know, for instance that there was a time in the past when part of China was owned by Tibet? Did you know that for much of Tibet's history it has paid a 'tithe' to China for protection? (naturally since it has no army of its own). The history of Tibet and, indeed, China, is something with which I doubt you are familiar. I, also, could be much more familiar than I am. But I do have people who I meet almost every day, who I can ask. I had, as one of my employees, an ex PLA soldier who had been a Red Guard during the cultural revolution. I had a student who had gone with his TV station employer, into Tibet and who gave me his personal experiences and helped me understand some of the history.
Note: I am NOT condoning the treatment of Tibetans by China, merely trying to seperate the wood from the trees.
But please, please do not fall into the trap, the easy black and white, good and bad, right and wrong trap that simple minds accept because, after all Richard Gere is a famous star!

None of the above has much to do with the current situation in Tibet. The fact that they once paid for protection has NO bearing on the fact that they want to be free again to self rule. But with the apparent mineral finds in Tibet, this is never going to happen. The Chinese will continue to put their boot on the neck of Tibet. Just as the old Soviet Union did to much of Eastern Europe.

 

[Lowaicue]

None of the above has much to do with the current situation in Tibet. The fact that they once paid for protection has NO bearing on the fact that they want to be free again to self rule. But with the apparent mineral finds in Tibet, this is never going to happen. The Chinese will continue to put their boot on the neck of Tibet. Just as the old Soviet Union did to much of Eastern Europe.

Actually it has.

 

[Lowaicue]

Right, but heck stereotype away with the US and make sure that its a simplistic as possible.

You: US Bad, China Good.

Us: What are you talking about? Last I heard it sucks to be run over by tanks or to live nearby and have no standing army!

You: US Bad, China Good, and you don't understand China so there!

Absolutely wrong.
America not bad. RW America bad. China not bad. Some of China very bad.
Sometimes one has to 'polarise' to get a point across.
Rather as Americans (some) still refer to 'Red' China or 'Commie' China. You can't have it both ways.

 

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Right, but heck stereotype away with the US and make sure that its a simplistic as possible.

You: US Bad, China Good.

Us: What are you talking about? Last I heard it sucks to be run over by tanks or to live nearby and have no standing army!

You: US Bad, China Good, and you don't understand China so there!

but but but... he doesn't hate the US... he 'admires' it. That is why he is always pointing out how bad it is.

 

[evince]

OK, class, to get at this, we are going to have a pop quiz today, but this should be an easy one, so stop that whining or Phil Gramm will teach this course, you should all get 100%.

[...]

Certainly, as good students of history, you recognize that Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Nor did he inherit two wars, nor the collapse of the automobile industry, nor 8 years of budget profligacy, nor the radical right wing championing (and avoiding service in) another war or two or three. The retirement of the baby-boomers was 25 years in the future, not already ongoing and accelerating.

And, of course, you don't need little Johnny Boehner to tell you that tax rates, even for the wealthiest Americans, are now already 14% lower than Reagan's 1981 tax cut, nor that 95% of Americans received a tax cut in the Obama stimulus, nor that tax rates will still be 10.5% lower for the wealthiest when Obama allows the George W tax cuts to expire, nor that those cuts were intended to expire for the simple reason that they were projected then to cause to big a hole in the deficit.

[...]

Class, I am shocked, shocked, that no one is raising his right hand. So, I'll tell you. Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.6%, no wars, no major financial crisis, a still robust auto industry, a right wing clamoring for increased defense spending (that helps domestic employment), no retiring baby boomers actually taking down social security funds.

To answer the pop quiz: the unemployment rate under Reagan went from 7.6% to 9.7-9.8% in the summer after his inaugural, and remained at that level for two years, before it began to decline in the summer of 1983. In "Obama-time", that would be the equivalent of the summer of 2011. Moreover, the economy did not begin improving until the Spring, 1983, in "Obama-time" that is Spring, 2011.

Surprise question for extra credit: what was Reagan's approval rating in January, 1983, two years into his Presidency? Again, no one raising their right hand except Dickie Cheney and OJ? OK, the correct answer: 35%--an approval rating only Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson would cheer.

Last question for extra credit: what was the unemployment rate when Reagan left office? C'mon boys and girls, you can get this one. Ah, now the right hands go up, but wait, wait, keep them up, it's not SO bad... Here's a hint: the "Reagan revolution" dropped unemployment by 2.1% from start to finish--that's right, you've got it, it was 5.5% when Reagan left office. (Ok, Ok, I know, the first George Bush reversed that too, but, hey, he was only Reagan's heir at the time, we did not yet have the pleasure of knowing him as George W's father, and George W showed us what a real Reagan revolution could mean).


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/pop-quiz-under-reagan-wha_b_341348.html

The myth of Reagan being a great president is fading fast under the true light of day.

There will be those who will never allow the facts to change their minds

 

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The myth of Reagan being a great president is fading fast under the true light of day.

There will be those who will never allow the facts to change their minds

You are correct... you most certainly won't allow the facts to change your warped sense of reality.

Please explain how views of Reagan are 'fading'.... because as time has gone by views of him have become more POSITIVE... not more negative.

 

[evince]

he is far enough in the past that the myth that was created by Rs is fading. People now go back and look at the facts and dont rely on what the media beat intio their heads repetedly.

The facts on Reagan are far from the right wing myth

 

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he is far enough in the past that the myth that was created by Rs is fading. People now go back and look at the facts and dont rely on what the media beat intio their heads repetedly.

The facts on Reagan are far from the right wing myth

While I do agree that the far rights views are also warped on Reagan, they are far closer to reality than YOUR warped views of President Reagan.

When you look at the FACTS desh... not your opinions.... you will actually see he was a great leader. Which is why he continues to move up the list of 'best Presidents' in the minds of historians as time passes.

Take a look at the polls of historians desh... he was ranked in the middle of the pack initially, now he is consistently in the top ten.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Kuwait drilled into an Iraqi oilfield. Here's a little quote:

it's considered proper, when you provide a little quote, to provide a little link so we can check if there is a little accuracy.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

One such was Hans Blix who reported that he had found no evidence to support the bush claim.

overlooking of course, the fact that Blix didn't report that until after the war with Iraq had begun.....please re-read Blix's report to the UN the month prior to the war beginning......he makes clear the fact that Iraq had NOT cooperated with the weapon's inspectors and that they were unable to make an assessment of whether Hussein had complied with the UN requirements.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Did you know that for much of Tibet's history it has paid a 'tithe' to China for protection?

as did other countries.....I also know that there were many nations of the world that paid "tithes" to the British.....India, Australia, Canada, the US before it was the US, etc.....

can you give me an example of when "imperialistic" America charged "tithes" for it's protection......

 

[Lowaicue]

but but but... he doesn't hate the US... he 'admires' it. That is why he is always pointing out how bad it is.

Still dont understand, do you.
It is YOU and people like you who give America its shame. You are so stupid that you will never believe that you can be so wrong.
Show me how the extreme RW mindset has improved the world.
You
just
dont
give
a
shit
about
the
good
things
this
planet
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offer.
I doubt that there is any other society in the modern world that is so wrong yet so sure it is right as XRW America. You have, at long last, a president with a brain. A president who is trying to give America back the respect it squandered under bush. And what do you do? Support his efforts to make YOUR miserable life better? Not on you pointless life you dont. No you fight him, you stand in his way, you call him a commie or a socialist.
Stupid doesnt come close.
Do you know the only other country who has a patriot act? Who has a substantiial part of its population that have been kept in ignorance and served shit for every meal? Do you? Let me tell you.
CHINA!!!!

 

[Lowaicue]

it's considered proper, when you provide a little quote, to provide a little link so we can check if there is a little accuracy.....

You talk to me about being proper.
Bloody fool.
Why should everything have a link? In my world I meet a lot of people who have lived and worked in fairly senior positions round the world. I don't need links that might have been put on the internet by people expressing their ignorance. I might as well give links to things posted here for the good it does.