Universal Healthcare

montgomery said:
A canadian should know, and it is socialism! and that leads to communism, with a capital C, and that rhymes with P and that causes hair to grow on your palms.

Leave it alone Americans, you already have the very, very best in the whole, whole world!
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Canada doesn't have socialized medicine.
 
kudzu said:
Canada doesn't have socialized medicine.
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Don't try to split hairs, it's socialism and they know it very well.

And the part of our capitalism that is socially responsible is socialism and that's the same as communism. There's no use trying to sneak it past them. They have to come to terms with the words and buy into them. No use trying to make communism into something else.

We pay for good quality health care for all the shiftless bums and junkies on the street with our tax dollars. I'm not prepared to lie to them and tell them we don't.

And what's more, those bums and junkies get better quality care than Americans according to the World Health Organization.

You better not lie to them, but start now to sell them the truth. Sure ours is better and just about half the cost but there's no hiding we look after deadbeats.
 
montgomery said:
Don't try to split hairs, it's socialism and they know it very well.

And the part of our capitalism that is socially responsible is socialism and that's the same as communism. There's no use trying to sneak it past them. They have to come to terms with the words and buy into them. No use trying to make communism into something else.

We pay for good quality health care for all the shiftless bums and junkies on the street with our tax dollars. I'm not prepared to lie to them and tell them we don't.

And what's more, those bums and junkies get better quality care than Americans according to the World Health Organization.

You better not lie to them, but start now to sell them the truth. Sure ours is better and just about half the cost but there's no hiding we look after deadbeats.
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1. Doctors are self-employed, not government employees

Canada has a publicly-funded healthcare system, but the vast majority of doctors do not work for the government. A patient is free to choose which doctor they wish to visit, and they are entitled to essential physician health services without charge. Doctors are self-employed, which means they can determine their own hours and work location, and they are responsible for paying their employees, for office space and other overhead expenses. Doctors earn money by billing their provincial government for the services they provide to patients.

The Canadian health system is often referred to as "socialized" medicine, but it is actually a mix of private providers billing governments for publicly funded services.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kathleen-oagrady/canada-health-care_b_5825582.html
 
Nordberg said:
Our healthcare costs double and is much worse. Why so many want to keep it is just proof of how well propaganda works on us. It's American, what could be better? How about all the others. We get played by corporations and love it.
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That's why so many corporations supported Hillary Clinton and single payer. They don't want to be bothered with providing a healthcare plan for their blue collar workers. they support government healthcare programs.
 
Robo said:
That's why so many corporations supported Hillary Clinton and single payer. They don't want to be bothered with providing a healthcare plan for their blue collar workers. they support government healthcare programs.
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Sure fuckwit, Hillary is all about single payer. Next you'll tell us Pelosi and Schumer are. Interesting how you differentiated "blue collar" workers from the rest just like the corporate state does.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Sure fuckwit, Hillary is all about single payer. Next you'll tell us Pelosi and Schumer are. Interesting how you differentiated "blue collar" workers from the rest just like the corporate state does.
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BIG corporations supported Hillary Clinton, especially the BIG banks. They saw her as insurance for a bailout if necessary and the best chance for single payer because DEMOCRATS promote more socialist government programs than the Republicans. Notice I don't have to call you insulting names to get my point across. Only children and immature adults do that shit!
 
Robo said:
BIG corporations supported Hillary Clinton, especially the BIG banks. They saw her as insurance for a bailout if necessary and the best chance for single payer because DEMOCRATS promote more socialist government programs than the Republicans. Notice I don't have to call you insulting names to get my point across. Only children and immature adults do that shit!
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You really don't know what socialism is or what socialized medicine is.......
 
kudzu said:
Exactly and the VA is poor healthcare , but the most expensive.
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Typically under funded, and over crowded. Iraq really did a number on the system. Depending on where you live, it's either great, or horrible.
 
Robo said:
BIG corporations supported Hillary Clinton, especially the BIG banks. They saw her as insurance for a bailout if necessary and the best chance for single payer because DEMOCRATS promote more socialist government programs than the Republicans. Notice I don't have to call you insulting names to get my point across. Only children and immature adults do that shit!
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You stupid fuckwit. Of course Hillary is a corporatist shill, congrats. The Dems have fought single payer all along, Gephardt set up a lobbying firm less than a month after he "left" public life to insure such. I'm speaking to a child.
 
Universal Healthcare is the standard of the civilized world.
Medicare for all is just a start in the right direction.
Eventually, we will have a national health Service just like the UK's.

We have a binary choice.
Democratic Socialism or Republican Fascism.
The center is an irrelevant illusion suffered by Pollyanna types.

Long term, it's not going to go the fascists' way.
 
Althea said:
Typically under funded, and over crowded. Iraq really did a number on the system. Depending on where you live, it's either great, or horrible.
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It's not always just that. Sometimes it depends on what is wrong with you. We have 2 in our region that people in my city go to. Some love one and hate the other; some hate both; some like both. It is a little better in recent years. There was a time when old timers were getting really pissed that they may have to go to 1 one day and then the other the next depending on what their health complaints were. Heart go north, cancer go south, a cancer patient with a heart issue go to both. Our CBOC is part of the one to the north though. The one south is in another state. The local clinic is only about ten years old but has really made a huge difference in reducing the need to travel for routine maintenance.
 
Wish I had that confidence. A couple years ago the Kochs were talking to the press about healthcare. The reporter said Americans will not continue with our terrible healthcare if they look at what other countries do. He said don't worry, we are taking care of that. I had doubts, but they seem to be making inroads.
 
Nordberg said:
Wish I had that confidence. A couple years ago the Kochs were talking to the press about healthcare. The reporter said Americans will not continue with our terrible healthcare if they look at what other countries do. He said don't worry, we are taking care of that. I had doubts, but they seem to be making inroads.
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Insurance companies rule America 's health care
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Universal Healthcare is the standard of the civilized world.
Medicare for all is just a start in the right direction.
Eventually, we will have a national health Service just like the UK's.

We have a binary choice.
Democratic Socialism or Republican Fascism.
The center is an irrelevant illusion suffered by Pollyanna types.

Long term, it's not going to go the fascists' way.
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It's not going to go the socialists' way, either. Economic collapse is imminent.

And thank goodness, too. Because I want no part of what you consider, "civilized."
 
I've seen the VA mentioned a couple of times. That is a horrible health care system, I had to stop using it because it was just piss poor from top to bottom. In fact military health care in general is very poor.
 
kudzu said:
Friends in Florida traveled to the VA in Salisbury NC for healthcare..
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I built a V.A office in my area. It's limited in scope, but many love it. Otherwise, vets have to travel about an hour to get to the most commonly used office. I do know that many vets can't get good care, especially for things like agent orange related cancer.

Far and away, head trauma issues are inundating VA clinics across the country.
 
Kacper said:
It's not always just that. Sometimes it depends on what is wrong with you. We have 2 in our region that people in my city go to. Some love one and hate the other; some hate both; some like both. It is a little better in recent years. There was a time when old timers were getting really pissed that they may have to go to 1 one day and then the other the next depending on what their health complaints were. Heart go north, cancer go south, a cancer patient with a heart issue go to both. Our CBOC is part of the one to the north though. The one south is in another state. The local clinic is only about ten years old but has really made a huge difference in reducing the need to travel for routine maintenance.
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The V.A is allowing some cancer patients to seek care outside of the V.A.. My dear friend is fighting cancer that the drs say is from being showered in agent orange, but the Feds. refuse to acknowledge same.

He got 'care' outside of the V.A, but will be dead within months. V.A is spending money on smaller clinics for things like vision/hearing/general health issues, but specialization is still lacking.
 
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