Unthinkable? Will Bush Cancel The 2008 Election?

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Pictures of the "camps".

Which at that time, did not exist.

Ok. Well, pictures of camps that had not been built, and Bill Clinton's name, are certainly terrifying.

Right now, things that actually exist, might take precedence. I mean you know, it's a judgement call though.

This is more of the constant faux equivalence that we have been fed in this country, that has enabled this most dangerous adminstration to take root.

It's bullshit.

 

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Pictures of the "camps". And this one will go. In less than two years, notice how I ask about "your" candidates... There's these things we call elections, that aren't going to be cancelled. In fact that was my point from the beginning, it is "Fear Tactic 101" to be attempting to make people "Fear THEM"...

1. Elections are not going to be cancelled.
2. Stating they are is a fear tactic.
3. Unfortunately there are people who do fear them and this will work.
4. The "other side" will use the same tactic.
5. Some people, unfortunately, will believe that it is reason to vote for them.


Instead of dialogue all we get nowadays if "Fear Tactic" politics. I'm sick of it.

No one "stated" that elections are going to be cancelled.

I do not fear "them".

I closely watch them.

 

[Damocles]

No one "stated" that elections are going to be cancelled.

I do not fear "them".

I closely watch them.

However, the "will he?" is definitely fear tactic politics. It divides rather than recognizes the humanity of the other side. "Those people are evil and want the destruction of all that is holy!"

Rubbish, Rs want much the same thing as Ds they just believe Ds have the wrong map to that.

 

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However, the "will he?" is definitely fear tactic politics. It divides rather than recognizes the humanity of the other side. "Those people are evil and want the destruction of all that is holy!"

Rubbish, Rs want much the same thing as Ds they just believe Ds have the wrong map to that.

BS.

Authoritarians do not want the same things that I want. You are splitting it into too simplistic of a formula. Not all R's are Authoritarians, but that's where the Authoritarians are, and this adminstration is a study in authoritarianism. And its followers like to be told what to do by those they consider "above" them, while at the same time giving orders to those they consider "below" them.

We have nothing in common.

 

[Damocles]

BS.

Authoritarians do not want the same things that I want. You are splitting it into too simplistic of a formula. Not all R's are Authoritarians, but that's where the Authoritarians are, and this adminstration is a study in authoritarianism. And its followers like to be told what to do by those they consider "above" them, while at the same time giving orders to those they consider "below" them.

We have nothing in common.

Nor do I want Authoritarian government, yet you assume that I do because I am an R?

Again, Rubbish!

Once again, almost every R wants the same thing. A better nation for their children. That they believe in a different path to it is certainly true, that they are all "authoritarians" is simply divisive politics based on fear tactics. You are a master at it.

 

[Cypress]

Pictures of the "camps". And this one will go. In less than two years, notice how I ask about "your" candidates... There's these things we call elections, that aren't going to be cancelled. In fact that was my point from the beginning, it is "Fear Tactic 101" to be attempting to make people "Fear THEM"...

1. Elections are not going to be cancelled.
2. Stating they are is a fear tactic.
3. Unfortunately there are people who do fear them and this will work.
4. The "other side" will use the same tactic.
5. Some people, unfortunately, will believe that it is reason to vote for them because they fear "the terrorists" or whatever group they bring forward for their propaganda.


Instead of dialogue all we get nowadays is "Fear Tactic" politics. I'm sick of it. This was my point in this thread.

Secondary, my point is, there are enough Americans that value personal freedoms and are armed that will not stand for "camps". Much of them are in the Military that you attempt to add to your "fear tactics" and say that I shouldn't arm myself because I can't fight them...

I won't have to.

Here's my take:

Is a Pol Pot, Kmher Rouge-style takeover of the United States by facisict forces, resulting in the internment of millions of americans likely? No, not IMO.

Does the Bush admin have kooks like Bottleborne drawing up crazy contingency plans for internmnet camps? Probably. The government has kooky contingency plans for almost every possibility imaginable, regardless of how remote. We have contingency plans to invade Canada. We pay the CIA to do "studies" on how to mind-control goats. The US government wastes a lot of money doing contingency planning on all kinds of crazy stuff.

Do we, the public, need to know about it? Yes. Do we need to be on guard against it? Yes. I keep hearing posters say that the "majority" of americans would never stand for it. That's beside the point. Facsist coups are almost never supported by the majority.

I frankly think the chances of the aforementioned scenario ever happening is remote. We need to be on guard though. And I honestly think that there are simpler ways, and less risky ways, for the rightwing power structure and other authoritiarians in this country to maintain power and control over the population: media consolidation, voter suppression, the slow almost imperceptible erosion of civil rights (through sneaky bills like Patriot Act).

I'm a firm believer in Occum's Razor: The authoritarians in this country will most likely use very simple, low-risk, strategies that just skirt the edge of the law, to maintain power and control. That's the easiest and simplest way to rule the country.

 

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Nor do I want Authoritarian government, yet you assume that I do because I am an R?

Again, Rubbish!

Once again, almost every R wants the same thing. A better nation for their children. That they believe in a different path to it is certainly true, that they are all "authoritarians" is simply divisive politics based on fear tactics. You are a master at it.

Not all R's are Authoritarians, but that's where the Authoritarians are, and this adminstration is a study in authoritarianism. And its followers like to be told what to do by those they consider "above" them, while at the same time giving orders to those they consider "below" them.

We have nothing in common.

the only thing I wrote that could remotely be taken as being about you, was my last sentence. I did not mean "we" as in you and I, I meant "we" as in myself and Authoritarians, though.

Further, I specifically said, right there, "not all R's are authoritarians", and then you argue with me, by claiming I assume you want an authoritarian government because you are a republican. Which, I do not assume.

 

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Here's my take:

Is a Pol Pot, Kmher Rouge-style takeover of the United States by facisict forces, resulting in the internment of millions of americans likely? No, not IMO.

Does the Bush admin have kooks like Bottleborne drawing up crazy contingency plans for internmnet camps? Probably. The government has kooky contingency plans for almost every possibility imaginable, regardless of how remote. We have contingency plans to invade Canada. We pay the CIA to do "studies" on how to mind-control goats. The US government wastes a lot of money doing contingency planning on all kinds of crazy stuff.

Do we, the public, need to know about it? Yes. Do we need to be on guard against it? Yes. I keep hearing posters say that the "majority" of americans would never stand for it. That's beside the point. Facsist coups are almost never supported by the majority.

I frankly think the chances of the aforementioned scenario ever happening is remote. We need to be on guard though. And I honestly think that there are simpler ways, and less risky ways, for the rightwing power structure and other authoritiarians in this country to maintain power and control the population: media consolidation, voter suppression, the slow almost imperceptible erosion of civil right (through sneaky bills like Patriot Act).

I'm a firm believer in Occum's Razor: The authoritarians in this country will most likely use very simple, low-risk, strategies that just skirt the edge of the law, to mainatin power and control. That's the easiest and simplest way to rule the country.

That's a good post Cypress. I forgot about the attempt to mind-control goats. Though I don't know how I could have forgotten that.

I mostly agree. Except on one point. I think that the "bottleborne type kook" drawing up these plans, is actually the Vice President of the United States. And that gives me some pause.

But otherwise, I agree.

 

[Cypress]

That's a good post Cypress. I forgot about the attempt to mind-control goats. Though I don't know how I could have forgotten that.

I mostly agree. Except on one point. I think that the "bottleborne type kook" drawing up these plans, is actually the Vice President of the United States. And that gives me some pause.

But otherwise, I agree.

Oh yes, the bottleborne kooks are drawing up crazy contingency plans with the full knowledge of the top officials in Bu$hCo. They're not just freewheeling on their own.

I appreciate your concurence on my main points, though.

 

[Damocles]

Not all R's are Authoritarians, but that's where the Authoritarians are, and this adminstration is a study in authoritarianism. And its followers like to be told what to do by those they consider "above" them, while at the same time giving orders to those they consider "below" them.

We have nothing in common.

the only thing I wrote that could remotely be taken as being about you, was my last sentence. I did not mean "we" as in you and I, I meant "we" as in myself and Authoritarians, though.

Further, I specifically said, right there, "not all R's are authoritarians", and then you argue with me, by claiming I assume you want an authoritarian government because you are a republican. Which, I do not assume.

You said "We have nothing in common" is it so hard for me not to assume you are talking about me?

 

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You said "We have nothing in common" is it so hard for me not to assume you are talking about me?

Damo I am sorry. I swear I was not talking about you. I was continuing along the thought line of my having so much in common with authoritarians. I do not consider you someone I have nothing in common with.

 

[Damocles]

Damo I am sorry. I swear I was not talking about you. I was continuing along the thought line of my having so much in common with authoritarians. I do not consider you someone I have nothing in common with.

Not a problem. I should have more carefully read the post. Sometimes I skim a bit when I am busy.

 

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There is ZERO chance of the military allowing this to happen. ZERO. You may have a few politicians that would be of the "authoritarian" nature, but even there they are few and far between in this country. The reason is they know they would end up dead. I would imagine that a moveon.org or commondreams has now started the "lets call Republicans authoritarians" to add to their list of scare tactics... but it really does not fly.

Damo is correct. Both parties use scare/fear tactics and neither is doing this country any favor by doing so. It needs to end.

 

[Cypress]

There is ZERO chance of the military allowing this to happen. ZERO. You may have a few politicians that would be of the "authoritarian" nature, but even there they are few and far between in this country. The reason is they know they would end up dead. I would imagine that a moveon.org or commondreams has now started the "lets call Republicans authoritarians" to add to their list of scare tactics... but it really does not fly.

Damo is correct. Both parties use scare/fear tactics and neither is doing this country any favor by doing so. It needs to end.

There is ZERO chance of the military allowing this to happen. ZERO.


Then the rightwing talking points that we need AK-47s, and an unfettered, unlimited right to guns, via the second amendment, to defend ourselves against an authoritarian central government, is just all bluster and talking point - unhinged from realiity.

Right?


just kidding

 

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There is ZERO chance of the military allowing this to happen. ZERO.


Then the rightwing talking points that we need AK-47s, and an unfettered, unlimited right to guns, via the second amendment, to defend ourselves against an authoritarian central government, is just all bluster and talking point - unhinged from realiity.

Right?


just kidding

Actually, kidding or not, I agree to an extent with the above. I think most of it is bluster. The majority have ZERO need for such a weapon, but at the same time the vast majority are also responsible gun owners.

So yes, it is bluster to act as if they NEED them.

 

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Also as a side to that.... I don't think most gun owners have a problem with waiting lists etc... so the unfettered part is usually only the extremists spouting that portion ... like the nutjobs up in Idaho etc...

 

[uscitizen]

I picture you as a jolly, fat, bearded man who owns a barn and a tractor.

And I think a Catch-22 is exactly what they want.

Got the barn and tractor, not too jolly, just content, and not fat. 34" waist 170 lbs or so.

 

[uscitizen]

Also as a side to that.... I don't think most gun owners have a problem with waiting lists etc... so the unfettered part is usually only the extremists spouting that portion ... like the nutjobs up in Idaho etc...

I have many guns and do not mind the wait, etc. We need to do whatr we can to keep the nuts and criminals from getting guns.
As the shootings at VT illustrated we need more gun controls for mentally ill people.
But then no repubs would get guns....

 

[doniston]

Got the barn and tractor, not too jolly, just content, and not fat. 34" waist 170 lbs or so.

(and 4 ft 2 in tall) HEH HEH

 

[uscitizen]

I was planning a response with my two friends last night. But that's personal plans for when the next "attack" takes place, and we have bright red bulls eyes on our foreheads.

R U becoming a programmer ?