Until We Find ONE WMD in Iraq, Republicans Should Really Calm Down About “Obamacare"

poet said:
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...hould-really-calm-down-a-bit-about-obamacare/


"Anyone who follows my writing knows that I believe Republicans are some of the most hypocritical individuals on the planet. But they’re not strictly limited to hypocrisy. I find many times they completely contradict themselves and often reek of irony.

One such example of their irony (and hypocrisy) is their “outrage” about the fact that some Americans won’t be allowed to keep their current health insurance (because it doesn’t meet the minimum standards established under the Affordable Care Act) despite the fact that President Obama said they would be able to.

Well, President Obama misspoke. Did he lie? I guess some might say he did, but I just don’t see it that way. He simply didn’t include the phrase, “If your current plan meets the basic requirements under the new healthcare law.” The requirements weren’t hidden, so by him omitting that phrase it meant each individual would have had to inquire with their health insurance provide themselves to find out the sustainability of their current insurance plan.

However, for Republicans to say that a president not being fully honest about something is deplorable and condemnable is absolutely astounding.
The party of President George W. Bush — I’m sure everyone remembers him. The man who started a war on the promise that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Otherwise known as “WMD’s.”

Their president took our nation to war on the pretense that we were going to find stockpiles of dangerous weapons which posed a gigantic threat to the United States and our allies. He promised us that Iraq was a threat to our freedom and was a breeding ground for terrorism.

Which, of course, were all absolute lies.

Iraq never had any weapons of mass destruction. Iraq was never a real threat to the United States. And if you want to talk about a breeding ground for terrorism, that’s what Iraq has turned into since our invasion. And I’m just talking about his lies about WMD’s in Iraq — I haven’t even touched on the fact that Bush promised us his tax cuts would balance our budget and bring us to economic prosperity.

Then let’s not forget about his little flight suit spectacle (paid for by taxpayer money, by the way) where he declared “Mission Accomplished” — which was another lie.

So what did Bush’s lie cost? Over 4,000 troops killed, tens of thousands more wounded (many of them for the rest of their lives) and countless dead Iraqi civilians. Then let’s not forget about the trillions his wars and unfunded tax cuts added to our national debt.

Now they want to act appalled and outraged because President Obama wasn’t completely honest about some Americans being able to keep their old insurance? And the worst thing that happens with that “lie” is that people are now forced to buy more comprehensive health coverage at (for some) a higher premium.

So, in the mind of many Republicans, lying about a war which resulted in over 4,000 brave American soldiers being sent to their deaths is acceptable, but neglecting to be completely detailed about the ability for some Americans to be allowed to keep their current health insurance—that is a horrific lie!

Maybe Republicans might want to take a step back and a deep breath. Because while Obama misleading Americans about their health insurance is inexcusable, at least he didn’t lie about the pretense for war that resulted in the death of over 4,000 Americans.

Which is exactly what the president they voted for twice did."



Some people need to take seats and be quiet.- poet
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Another incredibly stupid argument from the brain dead left.

Yes, you people really are THAT incredibly stupid and repugnant.
 
NOVA said:
Other than the pinheads in denial, do you think we'll all forget these claims by Democrats all whining about Saddam and WMD...long before Bush was elected..???

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

“This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” — From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

“Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998

“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002

“There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

“What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998
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Democrats really are THAT incredibly stupid.
 
Crashk said:
I see no 'jive talk', I thought the post was well written and to the point. Points which you don't understand or are too embarrassed to talk about. Or maybe your memory from 2000 -2008 is down the memory hole, or maybe your conditioning won't let you remember the boatload of lies that got us into Iraq.

If his post is 'rather weak' please say why you think it's weak. Why don't you tell us about those WMD's that were n-e-s-w from Bagdad like Cheney said. Tell us why you believed the Bush was not lying. Come on 'talk politics' don't just sit there like a old woman and bitch.
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Here's a deal moron, we'll talk about Bush lying right after you explain how the Clinton Administration wasn't lying, how Democrats making identical claims were not lying, how Tony Blair and the PM of Australia were also not lying.

And please spare the moronic DNC talking point that Bush fooled them all; after all, Bush was supposed to be an idiot according to brain dead leftist morons like you.

Then after you extract your empty head form Obamas sphincter, you can explain how Obama didn't lie about people keeping their doctors and insurance to sell a massive pile of shit called ACA that MOST Americans never wanted in the first place.

You're beyond mere stupid parroting such dimwitted talking points.
 
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Thing1 said:
I keep reading through those quotes, but I can never find one that calls for the invasion of Iraq.

Weird.
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Another incredibly stupid comment; but for the edification of the ignorant left, they voted in the MAJORITY to invade Iraq.

Dumbass.
 
maineman said:
Bush lied when he said that "there is no doubt that Saddam has stockpiles of WMD's"

nothing any Bush butt lickers can ever say will change that fact.
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Then so did Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and the long list of Democrats and foreign leaders who made identical claims.

But alas, you're a repugnant moron; how could you comprehend between actual lying, which is what Obama does, and actually believing the intelligence you are given.

Yes, you really are THAT incredibly stupid and that repugnant.
 
Thing1 said:
It doesn't take a "MAN" to send other people to die unnecessarily. I don't see many "MEN" saying "bring 'em on!" when they're thousands of miles from harm's way.

You poor, misguided Bush worshipper.
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Another incredibly stupid strawman based on ignorance, hyperbole and opinion.

You poor dimwitted leftist asshat.
 
Truth Detector said:
Then so did Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and the long list of Democrats and foreign leaders who made identical claims.

But alas, you're a repugnant moron; how could you comprehend between actual lying, which is what Obama does, and actually believing the intelligence you are given.

Yes, you really are THAT incredibly stupid and that repugnant.
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Identical? Hardly

If I were to say that I have no doubt that the Red Sox will win the series again next year, that is a statement of my opinion and cannot, therefore, be a LIE. If, on the other hand, I were to say that no doubt exists anywhere that the Sox will repeat, that is a statement of fact, and it IS a lie, because I know that there are, indeed plenty of doubts about that topic, and stated that none existed. A false statement that I would KNOW to be false when making it.

Lots of people expressed their opinions about Saddam's WMD stockpiles. Only ONE democrat - Al Gore after he left office - stated that their existence was an absolute certainty like Bush and his team repeatedly did.
 
Crashk said:
I see no 'jive talk', I thought the post was well written and to the point. Points which you don't understand or are too embarrassed to talk about. Or maybe your memory from 2000 -2008 is down the memory hole, or maybe your conditioning won't let you remember the boatload of lies that got us into Iraq.

If his post is 'rather weak' please say why you think it's weak. Why don't you tell us about those WMD's that were n-e-s-w from Bagdad like Cheney said. Tell us why you believed the Bush was not lying. Come on 'talk politics' don't just sit there like a old woman and bitch.
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Firsr Saddam gassed the Kurds and killed about 5000 Iraqis, now that is a WMD or Weapon Of Mass Destruction. He had that giant 600 mile cannon from that guy who later got assassinated, another WMD. There were three ships sailing away aimlessly, where did they go, undoubtedly to Syria to unload the WMD. If we did not "get" Saddam, just what would he be doing now, could we take that chance after 911?

Read Poet's posts, he starts using the "B" word, the "F" word, the "C" word and the "N" word all the time. You are pissing up the wrong tree Crashy, butt of course I just got your goat good, so I will now add you to my list of Lib jackasses who I routinely dominate...LOL...TOUCHE'
 
SJJRSJJS said:
Firsr Saddam gassed the Kurds and killed about 5000 Iraqis, now that is a WMD or Weapon Of Mass Destruction. He had that giant 600 mile cannon from that guy who later got assassinated, another WMD. There were three ships sailing away aimlessly, where did they go, undoubtedly to Syria to unload the WMD. If we did not "get" Saddam, just what would he be doing now, could we take that chance after 911?

Read Poet's posts, he starts using the "B" word, the "F" word, the "C" word and the "N" word all the time. You are pissing up the wrong tree Crashy, butt of course I just got your goat good, so I will now add you to my list of Lib jackasses who I routinely dominate...LOL...TOUCHE'
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BS. Saddam was being contained by the UN sanctions, and presented no threat. Karl Rove's design to make "W" a "wartime president to rival his father was the bottom line...but as Cheney disastrously concluded, we would be
welcomed as liberators with leis thrown round our necks, and be back home in time for Xmas. As fate and karma would have it , the exact opposite happened....to the tune of tens of thousands of lives. I use he B, F, C, words but never the N-word( so you just lied, again...)..because I'm calling you what you act like and "are", and Newsflash, you
have never dominated anyone here? Ad hominem attacks? Is supposed to be you definition of dominance?????
Bitch, please. The only thing you can dominate is your own dick, and you probably fuck that up.
 
If it makes you feel better, I don't really believe Obama lied. I think he IS a 14 karat gold plated dumbass who should not be allowed to develop policies any more complicated then what we should do if we step in dog crap, but I don't think he lied. If Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, he reeled in a bunch of democrats to go along for the ride. That suggests a level of cleverness and cunning on Bush's part that you neo-comms NEVER attribute to him! Quite to the contrary, you think BUSH is the consummate dumbass. Newsflash: Obama didn't drag ONE republican along for the obamacare ride. To his credit, I think he was going on the information that was available to him, as was Bush. The difference being the sometimes ephemeral nature of military intelligence vs. Obama being too lazy or stupid to do some basic math. Is that the type of leader you want? I believe it was Ed Koch who said "The people have spoken...now they must be punished".
 
maineman said:
Identical? Hardly

If I were to say that I have no doubt that the Red Sox will win the series again next year, that is a statement of my opinion and cannot, therefore, be a LIE. If, on the other hand, I were to say that no doubt exists anywhere that the Sox will repeat, that is a statement of fact, and it IS a lie, because I know that there are, indeed plenty of doubts about that topic, and stated that none existed. A false statement that I would KNOW to be false when making it.

Lots of people expressed their opinions about Saddam's WMD stockpiles. Only ONE democrat - Al Gore after he left office - stated that their existence was an absolute certainty like Bush and his team repeatedly did.
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Wrong again dimwit; all of those individuals mentioned left NO doubt that they believed hat Saddam has WMDs. But dimwit is your name and spinning is your game.

You're so incredibly dimwitted you still believe that the entire affair was about WMDs. But if you read the Joint Resolution, assuming you can read and comprehend, which you can't, you would find that of the approximately 1,100 words contained in the document, only 300 or so dealt with WMDs.

Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs and Afghanistan, it was about the threats that Saddams despotic regime posed to his neighbors and UN members and his outright refusal for a decade to abide by the agreements signed after his rejection from Kuwait.

But your a dimwit who mindlessly parrots DNC talking points who seldom thinks for himself or does any research for facts.
 
Truth Detector said:
Wrong again dimwit; all of those individuals mentioned left NO doubt that they believed hat Saddam has WMDs. But dimwit is your name and spinning is your game.

You're so incredibly dimwitted you still believe that the entire affair was about WMDs. But if you read the Joint Resolution, assuming you can read and comprehend, which you can't, you would find that of the approximately 1,100 words contained in the document, only 300 or so dealt with WMDs.

Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs and Afghanistan, it was about the threats that Saddams despotic regime posed to his neighbors and UN members and his outright refusal for a decade to abide by the agreements signed after his rejection from Kuwait.

But your a dimwit who mindlessly parrots DNC talking points who seldom thinks for himself or does any research for facts.
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No one is calling a statement of opinion by ANYONE a lie. Again... I realize this is just a bit beyond your grammar school english composition level of comprehension, but to state "THERE IS NO DOUBT" of something is a statement of FACT and not a statement of opinion, like saying "I HAVE NO DOUBT" is. Can you see the difference, or is it simply beyond you? When Bush said, "THERE IS NO DOUBT", when he KNEW, in fact, of the existence of doubts within his own administration, that statement was not an opinion. It is a false statement of fact that he knew to be false when he said it.... or, in other words, A LIE.

And for you to suggest that the war was not primarily about WMD's... or that WMD's were not the hammer used to frighten the American into supporting a war against a country that had ZERO to do with the events of 9/11 flies in the face of history. The lie about the certainty of WMD's, when combined with the lie about Iraq's pre-9/11 collusion with 9/11 hijackers, was the linchpin that held Americans in fear of imminent attacks by AQ using Saddam's WMD's. Those two lies created the urgency that Bush needed to invade Iraq IMMEDIATELY, rather than let the UNSCOM inspectors tell us what we later found out for ourselves: that Saddam DIDN'T have stockpiles of WMD's and that he HADN'T restarted his nuclear program.

“Our mission is clear in Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament.” President Bush, March 6th, 2003
 
poet said:
Really? And your dream is imagining yourself as Fredo from the Godfather, who was assassinated on the command of Michael for being a dick??????????????????
Something is radically wrong when someone labels himself as : AssHatZombie Mind Pretzel Biting Fly
You have to be doing drugs. And I don't talk to druggies anymore. Ciao.
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I am proud to say he got "mind pretzel biting fly" from me insulting him one day long ago.
 
NOVA said:
And you know that is quite irrelevant......you see, the House and Senate may vote as separate units, but each unit votes as one, not as separate parties....and getting the majority vote in EACH, the WAR RESOLUTION passed.

and thats with a Senate controlled by the Democrats where the MAJORITY of Dems. vote YEA.

President Bill Clinton (D)
Vice President Al Gore (D)
Sec. of State Madeline Albright (D)
Nat. Sec. Adviser Sandy Berger (D)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
Sen. Bob Graham (D)
Sen. Carl Levin (D)
Sen. Tom Daschle (D)
Sen. John Kerry (D)
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D)
Sen. Robert Byrd (D)
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D)
Rep. Henry Waxman (D)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D)
All told us for years, that Saddam had WMD's.......but when G. Bush said the same thing, he lied.......:whoa:that logic is astonishing....
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he did have some but they were old and degraded.

then Bush and team lied and even talked of mushroom clouds as well as pretended SADAM did 911 so much that like 70% of the people though he did
 
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