US COVID-19 deaths by Election Day

[Truth Detector]

Sure they are, but unlike the Federal Gov't, Trump, the States don't have an equilvant CDC, FEMA, DHS, FDA, nor the spending ability of the Federal Gov't., they weren't nor are equipped to handle a pandemic on their own, unfortunately, that is pretty much what they have had to do

The CDC, FEMA, DHS and FDA are funding mechanisms you moron. So are you saying that States do not have the ability to tax and fund their own citizens? Moron.

Hardly, pure Trump,

This boorish stupidity is very tired and worn out asshat; find another meme.

you don't think he does everything with his eye on November?

You don't think the Party of the Jackass, brain dead hacks like you and the PHONY media are doing everything with your eyes on November. STFU, seriously.

He don't give a rat's ass about people nor actually the economy other than how it will effect him at the ballot box and his persoanl businesses interests.

Because you say so? Grow an IQ you dumb pathetic hack. Trump donates his entire $400 K salary very year. What the fuck have you done for others other than sit here looking like a moron on steroids?

Setting up scapegoats has always been his motif,

Because you say so. Moron.

n....o different here, employing China, Democrats, media has reached the point of diminishing returns, he has to have one come October and he's already setting up the Governors, your "arguememt" shows it

I do wish you could make sense instead of looking like a ranting loon.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Please vote. No time limit. Obviously some people may vote on November 2nd, but it will be obvious by that time who took a stand and who didn't. There's no money riding on this.

If Trump calls off the shut down (he won't) then the numbers will go higher.

OK, I'll vote in October. I'll be able to make a much more informed decision by then.

 

[Truth Detector]

Agreed. 31,000 dead Americans in 6 weeks is serious.

What is 31,000 divided into 330 million?

Even with the curve flattening and social distancing, this disease is spreading to other states. Like New Jersey and the South Dakota pork plant, there are places where people can't social distance. The virus will spread to all before the first one shows symptoms. Election day is over 26 weeks away. That's a lot of time for another 31,000 Americans to succumb to this disease.

OMG!!!!

I strongly doubt Trump will get his way to open up the country.

Well, you're never right about anything so there is that. It won't be Trump or the Governors who decide; the American people will tire of this bullshit and being unemployed by May. They are the ONLY ones who can re-open this country by telling the idiots in charge to pound sand.

In fact, I'm pretty sure his advisers are 'splainin' that to him daily.

I'm pretty sure you are full of shit as usual.

Trump, ever the showman, is just putting on a song'n'dance routine for the Trump voters so he can blame the Democrats, the Chinese and everyone else for the deaths and the poor economy on Election Day.

So the PHONY media and Party of the Jackass never blame him for everything? STFU you clueless hack.

BTW, notice how, despite all of their big talk, the Trumpeteers are avoiding voting in the poll and will avoid both the poll and this thread like it was COVID-19. LOL

That's because your poll is inane and asinine. Funny how you lack the intelligence to comprehend that much. I see you're still avoiding facts and answering questions like a dishonest low IQ hack.

 

[PoliTalker]

If anybody finds a cure it won't be the US. Our system works for profit and there is far more profit in a remedy than a cure for anything. But that probably won't be sought because the development of a vaccine would wipe out the profits from a remedy.

I would expect that even if our drug makers accidentally found a cure they would shelve it and continue seeking a remedy which only alleviates the symptoms for a while, and then must be repurchased and re-administered.

 

[Truth Detector]

He's an experienced showman and TV show host. He knows how to play a crowd.

While you're a whiny leftist buffoon ranting on a political forum about him. Let's see, who is smarter, a whiny, low IQ internet loser or a successful billionaire who is President of the most powerful nation on the planet.

That's a tough one shit-for-brains.

 

[Truth Detector]

I can easily see how we all get this eventually. Hopefully, most of us will survive and become immune.

Well gosh, so far, 99.999999% of us are A OK.

The Elderly seem to be the prime victims in this.

As they always are. This is only rocket science to whiny low IQ morons on the left who desire to become dependent wards of the state.

I'd sure like to see more antibody test kits come out and have everybody tested. That would create a sense of security if you knew everybody around you was immune.

The test shows immunity??? Whodda thunk it!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The immunity thing is still undetermined. Additionally, if this virus mutates like flu, then it's a whole new ballgame. Even so, neither vaccines or nation-wide testing is expected in the next six months. Trump claimed 27 million by the end of April and only about 3M have been done in a nation of 327M.

Some countries, including China and SK, are reporting that healthy COVID survivors are still testing positive. Is this a testing error? Are they still shedding virus to non-infected ppl? There is just so much we don't know. And we won't know until we have mass quantities of reliable testing for both current infections and antibody tests for past infections.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexan...aising-questions-about-immunity/#5af7666c18ad

I would guess that the death toll will be over 100,000 by November, but I hope to be very wrong.

 

[Truth Detector]

At this point, the question is whether it stays under that number by the end of April. I'm not convinced it will. We need to see some reductions in cases pretty quick since we are averaging about 2000 deaths per day in the last 9 days. Our daily new cases have held pretty steady and deaths trail new cases by about a week.

Over the last 9 days it is averaging 1,723. Since the first case was discovered, it has averaged 320 deaths per day. As a percentage of the population the total number of deaths amount to .0000853% of the population.

For that; we have wholesale hysteria and a shut down of most industries and businesses in the country. Jobs lost so far; 20,000,000 with more to come? Quite the trade off don't you think?

This only makes sense to remarkable ignorant people or those with a leftist agenda.

 

[Truth Detector]

Hello Dutch Uncle,



Does the poll have a time limit?

You know I like mathematics.

Obviously, the longer one waits to vote, the more informed their choice is.

I'm inclined to say yes, the number will go higher than 62K by election day.

It's already at 33,490 on worldometer, and 31,590 on Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering website.

Worldometer says there are also 13K in serious / critical condition. I understand that most people who go on a ventilator pretty much end up dying. That would easily place the death toll over 40K, and we are still adding new cases every day. Yesterday, we added over 30K new cases.

If it doesn't go over 62K, it will certainly get very close.

And what if DT calls off the shut-down?

Then all bets are off?

Also, there is confusion as to what the Poll question actually is.

The stated Poll Question is not the same as the longer question posted in the OP, which carries additional conditions.

Personally, I think DT is going to mimmick what has happened in China.

At first, they denied it even existed, punished those who tried to warn everyone. DT's got that box checked.

Then they had to admit it and took strong measures. Check, again.

And lately, they have opened back up, and are seeing their numbers go back up in a 'Second Wave.' Will DT check that box, too?

I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't. He's been dancing all around it. Looks like he is about to.

And here comes the strongman approach with that.

You know what he is going to do.

He lacks the authority to order States to open for business, but he'll do it anyway, and if they fail to comply he will apply all kinds of unrelated pressure by withholding other things that have nothing to do with it. He is relentless in his over-reach of power.

I bet he 'opens the country up' too soon, and we get the second wave, which will surely put the figure over the 62K estimate if it didn't go there anyway.

That's my vote.

How long did it take you to type out this meaningless BS?

 

[Truth Detector]

The immunity thing is still undetermined. Additionally, if this virus mutates like flu, then it's a whole new ballgame. Even so, neither vaccines or nation-wide testing is expected in the next six months. Trump claimed 27 million by the end of April and only about 3M have been done in a nation of 327M.

Don't we have a flu vaccine? Yes we do. Yet every year 60,000 to 80,000 people, mostly the weak and elderly, die every year. Amazing how that works isn't it?

 

[Truth Detector]

I hope I am wrong, but I just do not see how it could be below 100,000.

Well, that's because you are deaf dumb and blind.

 

[Truth Detector]

Agreed. I'm certain US medicine will find both a cure and a vaccine but not before the election. At least not for mass distribution before the election and probably not before Christmas.

Is there a cure for the flu?

 

[Truth Detector]

OK, I'll vote in October. I'll be able to make a much more informed decision by then.

Your voting isn't "informed." It is predictable. Do they have a "D" by their name. In fact, you will be voting for a guy with obvious symptoms of dementia and a serious bout of stupid.

 

[Truth Detector]

If anybody finds a cure it won't be the US. Our system works for profit and there is far more profit in a remedy than a cure for anything. But that probably won't be sought because the development of a vaccine would wipe out the profits from a remedy.

I would expect that even if our drug makers accidentally found a cure they would shelve it and continue seeking a remedy which only alleviates the symptoms for a while, and then must be repurchased and re-administered.

What an ignorant and stupid post. It's because of a profit motive EVERYTHING gets developed. There is no greater incentive than the profit.

It's obvious you've never visited a Marxist country.

 

[Truth Detector]

Some countries, including China and SK, are reporting that healthy COVID survivors are still testing positive. Is this a testing error? Are they still shedding virus to non-infected ppl? There is just so much we don't know. And we won't know until we have mass quantities of reliable testing for both current infections and antibody tests for past infections.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexan...aising-questions-about-immunity/#5af7666c18ad

I would guess that the death toll will be over 100,000 by November, but I hope to be very wrong.

Moron still believes what is coming out of China. The nation that LIED about it and still lies about the number of infections and deaths .

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Some countries, including China and SK, are reporting that healthy COVID survivors are still testing positive. Is this a testing error? Are they still shedding virus to non-infected ppl? There is just so much we don't know. And we won't know until we have mass quantities of reliable testing for both current infections and antibody tests for past infections.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexan...aising-questions-about-immunity/#5af7666c18ad

I would guess that the death toll will be over 100,000 by November, but I hope to be very wrong.

There's no conclusive data. Scientists know this but the great unwashed, anti-science mob thinks Trump can shit out a miracle drug just by taking some executive time.

Yes, it could get very bad. I do believe treatments will improve greatly over the next few months simply out of necessity. After all, if I was dying of COVID-19 and there were no ventilators left would I take an unproven drug? Yes, absolutely. If Trump and the Trumpeteers have their way, there will be thousands of Americans put into that position.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Over the last 9 days it is averaging 1,723. Since the first case was discovered, it has averaged 320 deaths per day.

A car sitting in your driveway for 50 minutes and then accelerating 10 miles per minute for 10 minutes is only averaging about 10 mph but I wouldn't suggest you drive into into a tree thinking your speed is simply the average for the time period. But if that is how you calculate speed, go ahead. You seem to be idiotic enough to think that. An increase in deaths is like an increase in a car's speed. Until you slow down the acceleration and decelerate you will only keep going faster or seeing more deaths.

As a percentage of the population the total number of deaths amount to .0000853% of the population.

You might want to check your math, poopiehead. 34233/323,000,000 is .0106% You aren't even close to calculating it correctly.


Now let's look at the death rate in NY state. NY state is currently closed down with stay at home orders but the total deaths are 823 per million. That is with stay at home orders that have slowed the growth rate. If we open up the country and it has the same death rate as a CLOSED NY we would see 265,000 deaths in the US. Of course, deaths haven't stopped in NY so the numbers are only going up. Assuming NY has reached its peak the death total will not quite double in NY. Put that in the US with no stay at home order and we are talking 500,000 deaths or more. South Dakota isn't NYC but it's going to be interesting to see what happens there in the next 2 weeks which is what you want for the entire country. South Dakota could be on it's way to having the same number of infections per capita as NY has.

For that; we have wholesale hysteria and a shut down of most industries and businesses in the country. Jobs lost so far; 20,000,000 with more to come? Quite the trade off don't you think?

Economies work when the consumers buy. If the consumer is too scared to go out and buy stuff you go into a recession. 10% drop in consumer spending for the next year out of fear to go into crowds is pretty drastic in and of itself. Recessions cause job loss. Did you not learn anything in 2008? Consumer spending is also based on the number of people spending. If 2-3% of your consumers die, consumption goes down. Simple math here. 2% of consumers die which means you have a 2% reduction in GDP for the next 10-20 years. Recession followed by a slower growth.

By the way most businesses and industries are not shut down. A lot are but most of them are not. Most means more than half. A lot of businesses may be working on a reduced basis by having people work from home or furloughing some employees but 50% of workers are not out of work and 50% of businesses are not shut down.

This only makes sense to remarkable ignorant people or those with a leftist agenda.

Your argument only makes sense to poopieheads that haven't passed jr high algebra.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Don't we have a flu vaccine? Yes we do.

There are 4 types of flu and each type has 198 possible subtypes. Vaccines typically protect you from 4 of the 792 different types of flu. Scientists have to predict which ones they think will be coming in the next year. Not everyone gets the flu vaccine and it isn't always effective against the flu strain in a given year.

Yet every year 60,000 to 80,000 people, mostly the weak and elderly, die every year. Amazing how that works isn't it?

Really? You seem to just make up whatever numbers you want. At no time in the last 30 years have 80,000 people died from the flu in a given year. Only once in the last 10 have more than 60,000 died and that was 61,000 in 2018.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That 61,000 was over a 12 month period. Covid-19 may kill that many in one month.

 

[Damocles]

Let me ask this question: How many deaths will it take to make you thrilled because you think it will help you politically?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Let me ask this question: How many deaths will it take to make you thrilled because you think it will help you politically?

Zero. I'd prefer there were no deaths.

Now a question for you: What is the lowest number of deaths that will cause the far Right to cum in their sleep?

Obviously you've seen the far Right Wingers on this forum declare everything from "this isn't worse than the flu" to "more people died of the flu". The 62,000 deaths number wasn't chosen at random. It was specifically chosen because of those guys. Do you really think any of them will admit error is the number is over 62,000 in November? Yeah, me neither. That's how those gutless cowards roll.

You've, no doubt, notice they refuse to answer the poll.