Was dropping the Bomb on Japan racist?

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Lol, Italy killed less civilians in WW2 than the USA / UK.

 

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Yes, agreed considering Soviet armed conflict with Japan. Made the the A- bombs as overkill.

 

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Lol, is the USA that?

Actually thevUSA since WW2 has killed a similar amount as Japan did in WW2.

Are we the good guys, really?

^Dumb cunt thinks America is the problem.

 

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The U.S. Army was never going to beat the Red Army to Poland and Hungary.

WRONG; our mere presence in Europe stopped the Communists in their tracks which is why Europe has seen peace for the last 75 years. Try to be less stupid and dishonest.

 

[Truth Detector]

The Anglos killed about 200,000 civilians in the A- bombs over Japan, 25,000 in the Dresden firebombing , 2,000,000 civilians Bengai famine & 150,000 civilians in the Italian campaign.

Italy killed about 380,000 civilians in Ethiopia.

^Dumb cunt doesn't know the difference between starting a war and ending one started by despots.

You can't be less stupid. You're an epic moron.

 

[BattleofHodow]

^Dumb cunt thinks America is the problem.

USA wars since WW2 killed 14 - 30 million.

 

[christiefan915]

It is rarely ever mentioned that the US was planning to drop 12 bombs in total. Operation Downfall would only have been implemented after that!

LONDON — American military archives reveal that if the Japanese had not surrendered on August 15, 1945, they would have been hit by a third and potentially more powerful atomic bomb just a few days later and then, eventually, an additional barrage of up to 12 further nuclear attacks.

Documents highlighted during commemorations to mark the 70th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima on August 6, and Nagasaki on August 9, which forced the end of World War II, show the determination of the United States to make Japan surrender unconditionally.

In the spring of 1945, the U.S. Army set up a special target committee to debate key Japanese cities to attack as officials believed their regime had already made it perfectly clear they were not willing to surrender at any price.

Confidential reports added that “even after two atom bombs, they preferred to fight on till they are all dead. Death or glory.”

It was a belief shared by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who attended talks with Allied leaders Harry S. Truman, the new American president, and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin at Potsdam in July 1945, where he gave consent to using atomic weapons following the successful “Trinity” test.

“There was unanimous, automatic, unquestioned agreement around our table,” Truman later admitted in his memoirs. “Never did I hear the slightest suggestion that we do otherwise.”

There was no reference though to the number of bombs under consideration, although Churchill casually initialed a minute telling U.K. officials to go along with what the Americans decided.

Presidential scientific adviser James B. Conant reported: “A number of military experts tended to see the bomb as nothing more than just a bigger bang, and it seems Churchill and Stalin were similarly ignorant.”

Target committee members believed an atom bomb could destroy the infrastructure of Japan without the need for an invasion, so the cities of Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Kokura, Niigata, and even Tokyo were identified as potential areas for destruction.

The main criteria included cities not previously bombed by conventional means so that experts could fully assess the effects of a nuclear strike.

Although Tokyo still remained a possibility, it had already suffered extensive damage from a firebombing campaign that incinerated 16 square miles and as many as 100,000 people. In addition, officials believed Emporer Hirohito might still be needed to help negotiate any surrender.

Targets in the south were given priority to boost possible invasion plans but the ancient city of Kyoto was withdrawn because the U.S. Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, who had honeymooned there, said it was an important cultural center and “must not be bombed.”

Kyoto had been favored for the very first attack but the committee opted to blitz Hiroshima, which was an important army depot and embarkation port within an urban environment.

In August 6, a B-29 bomber, the Enola Gay, dropped an estimated 12 kilotons of TNT in a uranium bomb termed “Little Boy” on Hiroshima.

Just three days another B-29, Bockscar, took off for Kokura carrying a second and more deadly plutonium bomb called “Fat Man,” estimated to be between as powerful as 20 kilotons of TNT. It seems inclement weather forced the aircrew to abandon their original plans to attack Kokura and go to Nagasaki instead. Weather was so bad there that the crew had even considered violating their orders to drop the bomb via radar before finding a small gap in the clouds to deliver their deadly cargo. Archivists now suggest the attack on Nagasaki was a shock to Truman, as Kokura was meant to be the primary target, with Nagasaki a secondary option.

Both attacks combined killed more than 200,000.

Archival records show a third bomb was under assembly at Tinian in the Mariana Islands where the Enola Gay and Bockscar had flown from, with the main plutonium core about to be shipped from the U.S.

Although some aircrew saw “Tokyo Joe” chalked on the bomb’s casing, it was said to be destined for Kokura, the original target for the second bomb, and named “Fat Boy.”

A transcript of a top-level call between two military experts on August 13 reveals details of this “third shot.” It also confirmed that a vast production line of about 12 other atomic bombs was being readied for additional continuous strikes against other key targets.

It was agreed this next bomb would be available to be dropped on August 19, with a schedule of further bombs available throughout September and October.

One U.S. general explained: “If we had another one ready, today would be a good day to drop it. We don’t, but anyhow within the next ten days, the Japanese will make up their minds.”

On August 15, however, just as the plutonium was about to be sent to Tinian, news of the Japanese surrender came through and its loading was stopped.

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I vaguely remember reading something about 12 bombs. There was a website we used to cite a few years ago but I can't find it, it had a very detailed account of everything leading up to the bombing and what happened afterwards. I also found this old post from 2016.

People should know how World War II really ended

Twice recently Post-Gazette opinions said except for the atomic bomb, it would have been necessary to invade Japan. That is not true.

On Aug. 15, 1945, I dropped bombs that helped destroy Japan’s last oil refinery. That day, 10,000 airmen in 808 B-29s and other planes dropped bombs on various targets in Japan. The Japanese surrendered before we got back to our base.

Being a bombardier myself, I have no opinion about the atomic bomb. But I do wish that people knew how World War II really ended. I was there.

JOHN ROSE
Point Breeze

First Published April 25, 2016, 12:00am

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...World-War-II-really-ended&highlight=Hiroshima

 

[BattleofHodow]

^Dumb cunt doesn't know the difference between starting a war and ending one started by despots.

You can't be less stupid. You're an epic moron.

Italy didn't start WW2.

 

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I vaguely remember reading something about 12 bombs. There was a website we used to cite a few years ago but I can't find it, it had a very detailed account of everything leading up to the bombing and what happened afterwards. I also found this old post from 2016.

People should know how World War II really ended

Twice recently Post-Gazette opinions said except for the atomic bomb, it would have been necessary to invade Japan. That is not true.

On Aug. 15, 1945, I dropped bombs that helped destroy Japan’s last oil refinery. That day, 10,000 airmen in 808 B-29s and other planes dropped bombs on various targets in Japan. The Japanese surrendered before we got back to our base.

Being a bombardier myself, I have no opinion about the atomic bomb. But I do wish that people knew how World War II really ended. I was there.

JOHN ROSE
Point Breeze

First Published April 25, 2016, 12:00am

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...World-War-II-really-ended&highlight=Hiroshima

Yes very true they had precious little fuel or resources left to continue the war effort. If the second bomb hadn't been successful then another plutonium core would have been shipped to Tinian Island for use on the 19th August against either Niigata, Kokura or even Tokyo.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I should have said M1 garand

I was thinking of my Papa's carbine

Yes. The Garand was a 30-06 with plenty of punch. The .308 that replaced it has no ballistic advantage but just allows for a shorter action.
The Garand was awkward to load, though.
But I'm one of those lefties who isn't supposed to know anything about firearms so I'll stop now.

 

[bhaktajan]

Aloha from Hawaii concert by Elvis Presley = 10
The OP of this thread = -.0001²


land mass of usa = 3,797,000 sq mi
land mass of japan= 145,914 sq mi


What kind of short Asian mafia cartel dummkopf would propose attacking Hawaii?

FYI:

The shortest distance between Hawaii and Japan is 6,625 km= 4,117 miles.
If you travel with an airplane from Hawaii to Japan (at 560 M/Hr) It takes 7.35 hours ---One way.


Stupid is as stupid does.


The OP post is dystopian hyperbole poetry. Like bogus Salvador Dali paintings.

 

[bhaktajan]

If a white man marries a white women he's a racist!

If a white woman bores a white child she's a racist!

Are we getting warm yet?


Why would a Chinese guy want a Chinese woman? She'd have to resemble his mum is some sort of way, no?

DYK Hitler didn't really have its own race to promote.

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The word Race is ONLY for anthropologists to use.

There are different of species of every creature group.

DYK: In total there are 18 species in the penguin family

Do Penguins use the term Race in reference to other penguin families?

 

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Yes. The Garand was a 30-06 with plenty of punch. The .308 that replaced it has no ballistic advantage but just allows for a shorter action.
The Garand was awkward to load, though.
But I'm one of those lefties who isn't supposed to know anything about firearms so I'll stop now.

Off topic ffs!

 

[Cypress]

Yes. The Garand was a 30-06 with plenty of punch. The .308 that replaced it has no ballistic advantage but just allows for a shorter action.
The Garand was awkward to load, though.
But I'm one of those lefties who isn't supposed to know anything about firearms so I'll stop now.

Limbaugh's Dittoheads would love to believe that lefties know nothing about guns and military technology.

Little boys are culturally or genetically predisposed to having an affinity for weapons and the warrior ethos. I spent countless hours on the shooting range with my Papa's collection of vintage military small arms, I am a miltary history buff, and I have spent countless hours of my life leaning about military weapons and technology.

War is wrong, but guns and military technology has a grip of fascination for most dudes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes. The Garand was a 30-06 with plenty of punch. The .308 that replaced it has no ballistic advantage but just allows for a shorter action.
The Garand was awkward to load, though.
But I'm one of those lefties who isn't supposed to know anything about firearms so I'll stop now.

I have a M1903 Springfield which uses the same cartridge along with a few rifles chambered in 7.62X51. I'd like to have a Garand, but don't want to plunk down that much for what will become a wall ornament. Yes, the 30-06 packs a lot of punch.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I have an MA in military history, have published articles on military history, and am currently writing a book on advanced military technology between 1935 and 1955. I recited all that from personal knowledge....

Kudos, Chief. Expect me to turn to you on occasion for your expertise.

Where did you earn your degree? I like history, but my knowledge is either self-learned or tangential to my MA in International Relations (Rule #1: if you want to learn about another country, learn their history and their geography).

 

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The first A bomb was tested just before Potsdam Conference.

Nuclear bombs were intended to be used against Germany not Japan.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Kudos, Chief. Expect me to turn to you on occasion for your expertise.

Where did you earn your degree? I like history, but my knowledge is either self-learned or tangential to my MA in International Relations (Rule #1: if you want to learn about another country, learn their history and their geography).

AMU in Virginia (correspondence / on-line). It was more for fun than anything. Easiest college work ever actually. But that's because I already had the knowledge to do it and a huge library on military history at home to use for research.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

AMU in Virginia (correspondence / on-line). It was more for fun than anything. Easiest college work ever actually. But that's because I already had the knowledge to do it and a huge library on military history at home to use for research.

Thanks. Agreed on fun. My minor in college was Pussy & Beer which had a detrimental effect on the grades for my major. My GPA was in the high 2s. A little over 10 years later I took night and weekend classes at Hurlburt AFB through Troy State. All As.

When I was 18 going to community college, I was more interested in partying than studying. I noticed all the Vietnam vets, only a few years older than myself, were studying their asses off. Maybe I should have enlisted for a few years first.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Thanks. Agreed on fun. My minor in college was Pussy & Beer which had a detrimental effect on the grades for my major. My GPA was in the high 2s. A little over 10 years later I took night and weekend classes at Hurlburt AFB through Troy State. All As.

When I was 18 going to community college, I was more interested in partying than studying. I noticed all the Vietnam vets, only a few years older than myself, were studying their asses off. Maybe I should have enlisted for a few years first.

I did college after the military. As a graduate of Rickover's nuclear power program, college was easy by comparison. Better, I got a job as an industrial electrician that paid nearly $13 an hour (in 1985 that was like about $28 today). GI bill paid for college. The company I was at didn't particularly care when I was there so long as everything worked so I could schedule my work around classes.
That was really great. Made college far more fun. I even started getting some of the electrical vendors to take me to lunch and stuff because I was having to buy huge piles of material from them. I was running upwards of 100 feet of conduit a day sometimes. Put in a new switchgear that cost like thirty grand back then too.