Was dropping the Bomb on Japan racist?
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Ummmm....I'd like to see data on that one. The Soviet Union wouldn't have survived the Nazis without US supplies, but it also wouldn't have survived without the courage and sacrifice of Soviet soldiers.
People say all kinds of stupid shit....especially on JPP.
Try out Trinnity's (note the spelling) Stormfront-light "the politics forums". Pure, 100% synthesize Right Wing Nut Job. Only the second website I've been permabanned in over 30 years.
Opinions obviously vary, and the P51 is universally regarded as a top tier WW2 fighter, but this is what a French ace said about the Yak
Indeed, the Soviet military forces benefited immensely from British and American supply convoys. And it took a few years for the Red Army to develop capable leadership after Stalin's purges of the professional officer corps.
I think what allowed the Soviet military forces to ultimately drive back and defeat the invading Nazis were high quality home-grown weapons: T-34 tank, Yak fighter planes, Katyusha rockets, AK 47 assault rifles - and the sheer determination of Soviet citizens" partisan militia units, and the average soldier.
WW2 was a team effort, and any one nation would have been hard pressed to destroy Nazi Germany on their own.
Dutch Uncle
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Neither is lynching per se. It depends upon how it's used. Lynching cattle rustlers and horse thieves was frontier justice albeit not always just . (e.g. The Ox-Bow Incident) Lynching people just because of their skin tone is racist.
In the case of Voter ID, it took a minor problem and inflated it into a big problem as a backdoor poll tax which makes the current use of Voter ID racist. This is why many instances of Voter ID were shot down in court. Voter ID can be used to legitimately increase election security without being racist, but that's not how the Republicans often chose to use it.
The non-racist, non-discriminatory way to implement Voter ID is to establish a longer implementation timeline such as 5 years and provide Federal IDs at cost with certain income levels being given IDs with state taxpayer funding. This concept could be used as a "legal resident" card for employment and renting/buying residences as part of a program to eliminate illegal immigration. Of course, such a plan has some dark 1984 implications too.
https://phys.org/news/2020-06-voter-id-laws-discriminate-racial.html
In a study published in the journal Politics, Groups, and Identities, researchers focused on turnout changes across the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections in states that had recently passed strict photo voter ID laws: Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia and Wisconsin and compared those changes to other states with similar racial compositions that had not passed laws. They found the turnout gap between white counties and racially diverse counties grew more within states enacting new strict photo ID laws.
Such results lead to "an already significant racial skew in American democracy growing even more pronounced," according the authors.Contrary to previous studies on voter ID laws, the researchers used actual voter turnout data, rather than surveys gauging attitudes towards voting.
"By using official turnout data, we eliminate concerns over inflated or biased turnout patterns from self-reported surveys," said co-author Zoltan Hajnal, a professor of political science at the UC San Diego School of Global Policy and Strategy. "This analysis provides more precise evidence that strict voter ID laws appear to discriminate."
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
NiftyNiblick
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Voter ID was instituted because it was perceived by racist state politicians that more blacks than whites had neither a driver's license nor a passport.
Why do people bullshit when their pernicious motives are so obvious?
We have a problem where incredibly stupid rednecks don't realize how transparent they are to their intellectual and moral superiors,
and don't know enough to be embarrassed when they're malfeasance is exposed..
Why do people bullshit when their pernicious motives are so obvious?
We have a problem where incredibly stupid rednecks don't realize how transparent they are to their intellectual and moral superiors,
and don't know enough to be embarrassed when they're malfeasance is exposed..
Dutch Uncle
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Interesting data, but a bit apples to oranges.** Due to their short range, the Yak and Spitfires were more interceptors than long-range fighters like the P-51. Shooting down Ju-87 Stuka bombers/tank busters was relatively easy for any early WWII fighter because it was a flying pig. Shooting down Me-109s and FW-190s is much more impressive. Note too that, by 1944, the Luftwaffe was extremely short of experienced pilots and was literally sending up kids to complete missions. Between the two fronts, Germany was losing the war.
**BTW, the AK-47 didn't become operational until 1949. The main WWII Russian battle rifle remained the Mosin-Nagant although the Tokarev SVT series was entering wide service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_Union_military_equipment_of_World_War_II
Voter ID in any form is not racist unless it can be shown that the requirements are different based on race. It hasn't been shown.
The only thing that's been exposed is that you're an idiot. Whining and automatically calling it racism because you can't admit blacks aren't able to do even the most simple things is the problem. Anything that requires blacks to make a little effort is met with false claims of racism because you idiots on the left know they're incapable of doing them.
Good point on apples to oranges - not fair to compare long range escorts to tactical short range fighters.
Oh, I forgot that AK47 came into service a few years later. The best small arms weapon in the Soviet stockpile imo was the PPSH-41 submachine gun. That is my favorite weapon in Call of Duty franchise WW2 video games. That thing just throws out a hailstorm of lead. British Sten and American Tommy gun are not in the same league.
But, best WW2 rifle = American M1 carbine.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
The carbine was a nice light weapon with no stopping power whatsoever.
It took a pistol length cartridge with a smaller, rifle size (30 caliber) diameter bullet,
but there was so much war surplus ammo up until the 1960s that civilian versions of it were popular for a while.
The ball ammo was illegal for hunting, but the caliber wasn't powerful enough for hunting anyway.
It was popular for plinking because the war surplus ammo was cheap.
Ruger made a single action western style revolver for that cartridge,
despite using rimless cartridges in a revolver not being the most convenient thing.
BattleofHodow
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Yeah, sure the Gliewitz incident was real & A threat to Nazi Germany. Bahaha
BattleofHodow
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Ummmm....I'd like to see data on that one. The Soviet Union wouldn't have survived the Nazis without US supplies, but it also wouldn't have survived without the courage and sacrifice of Soviet soldiers.
People say all kinds of stupid shit....especially on JPP.
Try out Trinnity's (note the spelling) Stormfront-light "the politics forums". Pure, 100% synthesize Right Wing Nut Job. Only the second website I've been permabanned in over 30 years.
Disagree Soviets had more troops & land to go.
Nazis would've run out of manpower over time.
But, of course lend lease helped Soviets reach Central Europe far quicker.
BattleofHodow
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It is funny that a city like Detroit that has had left wing policies for so long is such a shithole. Nothing like that 90% black population to pull you up.
BattleofHodow
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No they aren't. They have a high work ethic unlike Democrats and blacks.
Dutch Uncle
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No worries. I like the AK-47 over the AR-15 for several reasons. #1 is a facet of Russian engineering philosophy. The same philosophy they used on the Yak-3; easy to maintain, repair and operate.
In the Navy, I was an ASW helicopter pilot in the late 80s (SH-3G). Obviously the Soviets were our main threat. Our job was inner zone defense of "Mother", our assigned aircraft carrier. S-3s (fixed-wing jet ASW) and fleet destroyers and frigates provided outer zone defense. Soviet subs, be they diesel or nukes, were built very tough. It would take a lucky shot with one of our Mk 46 torpedoes to kill one which would give any attacking Soviet sub time to sink Mother.
Like hunting, placement counts for a lot. With two ASW helicopters or one SH-3G and one S-3 jet, the chances of successfully hunting and killing an attacking Soviet attack sub were greatly increased but still not guaranteed.....which is why, in an actual combat situation with the Soviets, dropping a nuclear depth bomb was the only way to insure a kill on the sub and to protect the 5000 sailors aboard Mother.
Tom Clancy's "The Hunt for Red October" is a terrifically accurate book if you are interested in the tactics and weapons at the time.
Dutch Uncle
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Since you've proved a few times you can't figure out your own gas mileage, you'll pardon me if I pass on your self-proclaimed expertise on the matter.
Fuck you up your jap sucking ass.