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Ways That Socialsm Can Be Better Than Capitalism
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Truck Fump / h1b
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If we had a government guaranteed universal health care system then we would have a healthier, more productive, nation.
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Yakuda
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PoliTalker
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Another way socialism can be better than capitalism:
Universal healthcare would save billions of dollars by being able to treat mental health issues instead of relying on the Justice System.
It is far better to take care of people who have issues early, rather than wait until they commit a crime, and then lock them up.
Ironically, people in need of mental health care who do not qualify for any services because they cannot hold down a job and can't afford health care, are almost forced to go out and commit a crime so that once they are incarcerated they then qualify for mental health care. Is that messed up or WHAT?
The costs associated with police, courts and prisons far exceed what it would cost to provide mental health care to those who need it, NOT SIMPLY THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
Capitalism totally fails on this.
Since mental health care is done on a for-profit basis, the poor are shut out unless they become criminals.
For-profit mental health care providers wait until the poor commit a crime and get locked up. THEN the state will pay the for-profit providers to administer their services only to those criminals who qualify.
Universal healthcare would save billions of dollars by being able to treat mental health issues instead of relying on the Justice System.
It is far better to take care of people who have issues early, rather than wait until they commit a crime, and then lock them up.
Ironically, people in need of mental health care who do not qualify for any services because they cannot hold down a job and can't afford health care, are almost forced to go out and commit a crime so that once they are incarcerated they then qualify for mental health care. Is that messed up or WHAT?
The costs associated with police, courts and prisons far exceed what it would cost to provide mental health care to those who need it, NOT SIMPLY THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
Capitalism totally fails on this.
Since mental health care is done on a for-profit basis, the poor are shut out unless they become criminals.
For-profit mental health care providers wait until the poor commit a crime and get locked up. THEN the state will pay the for-profit providers to administer their services only to those criminals who qualify.
PoliTalker
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Socialism would provide face masks to everyone during a pandemic.
Capitalism says you are on your own. Buy one if you can afford it.
The problem there being that masks are not primarily worn to protect the wearer.
Masks are worn to protect others.
We all look out for one another in the coronavirus pandemic.
And that explains why the USA is doing so poorly:
1. There is so much hatred that people on the right don't care if others die, particularly those on the left.
2. Right wing propaganda tells people they don't have to wear a mask.
Capitalism says you are on your own. Buy one if you can afford it.
The problem there being that masks are not primarily worn to protect the wearer.
Masks are worn to protect others.
We all look out for one another in the coronavirus pandemic.
And that explains why the USA is doing so poorly:
1. There is so much hatred that people on the right don't care if others die, particularly those on the left.
2. Right wing propaganda tells people they don't have to wear a mask.
Truck Fump / h1b
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like the bureau of precrime... I see. (you always can change the outcome)
PoliTalker
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It costs like 30 grand a year to incarcerate someone.
Think of all the people who end up in prison because, really, they have mental health issues.
We could seriously reduce our prison population with universal health care that covered mental health.
Think of all the people who end up in prison because, really, they have mental health issues.
We could seriously reduce our prison population with universal health care that covered mental health.
Truck Fump / h1b
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politalker is chicom operative.
how are you gonna stop mineral oil reselling? you still haven't said. it was part of your flagship issue to justify "socialism".
you kind of suck at shilling.
how are you gonna stop mineral oil reselling? you still haven't said. it was part of your flagship issue to justify "socialism".
you kind of suck at shilling.
PoliTalker
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In France, the government provides daycare.
That just makes sense.
We should do that.
That just makes sense.
We should do that.
Easy. We are at the bottom of health results of any industrial nations. https://www.apha.org/topics-and-issues/health-rankings PS. I know you will not accept the world rating because it tells the sad truth and you do not accept the truth if it does not back the right. I am hoping others read the answer and understand it is a fact. I can show many other ratingss and we are at the bottom in all.
Some words of wisdom from Winston Churchill; a man far smarter than all the leftists in the world.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery.
Socialism is like a dream. Sooner or later you wake up to reality.
Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state.
The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of socialism.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery.
Socialism is like a dream. Sooner or later you wake up to reality.
Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state.
The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of socialism.
Yakuda
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No I accept that we are at the bottom so don't be an ignorant ass unless you can't help it. I would suggest you go back and see if you can decypher what you claimed and what I asked you to prove. I would suggest that what you just posted proves something different than I asked you to prove. You are assuming something you haven't proven but what your assuming is what I asked you to prove but this link doesnt do that.
And this. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...20/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2019 I cannot believe rightys dio not know about our miserable healthcare results. We are at the bottom m and we do not cover all. We have many more with inadequate health care availabiliy.
The U. S. is #5 in productivity ahead of many European with universal health care systems.
https://time.com/4621185/worker-pro...tered, check back soon, $498b 31 more rows
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Or if we brought back insane asylums...
Yakuda
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Capitalism does not fail us and actually capitalism would reduce healthcare costs.
PoliTalker
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Hello Flash,
Yeah, way to spin the data toward your point.
You neglected to mention that the nations which are MORE productive than the USA all have universal health care as well!
The article makes no correlation between productivity and healthcare. Any such conclusion was all yours.
And what does 'productivity' measure anyway?
It is the number of dollars generated per the number of hours worked.
That means a nation which has more money, more ability to afford intricate automation, meaning fewer workers and fewer hours worked, equates to higher production.
Basically, the nation which has eliminated the most jobs has the highest production.
When traveling in the cotton country, one will see what appears to be lots of cotton left in the field after harvest. Stalks are bent over, most of it has been cleared out, but still a lot remains on the remaining broken stalks. Why? And the corners of the field have not even been touched. Why? It is because cotton is not picked by hand any more and that's what the machine leaves. It wouldn't be worth it to them to pay people to pick the remaining cotton. Automation has ended all of those jobs, and driven the price of cotton so low that it's just not worth it to even try to get what the machine leaves. Just plow it under and grow a new crop next season.
Things like that raise the productivity of a nation.
And that has nothing to do with whether or not today's workers have healthcare.
We could easily have healthcare for everybody at a lower cost than we pay now if we cut out all the exorbitant pay and profits from the process. Big insurance and big pharma have become so powerful they are a formidable force in the challenge to reduce the cost of health care. They have a lot of people getting really rich off of leaving things the way they are. Or, better yet for them, toss out Obamacare and the preexisting conditions. That's what the new SCOTUS will likely do, but if America votes Democrats in power, they also have to power to pass a new law which doesn't violate the Constitution. And the last time I checked, I didn't see anything in the Constitution that says you can't have universal healthcare.
The problem is that Big insurance and big pharma will enlist the Republicans, whom the capitalists have wrapped right around their little finger, and Dems would have to fight both, all teamed up against them. Not to mention the several older Democrats who the capitalists also have wrapped around their little finger.
The capitalists hold formidable power. Their interests are to extract as much money as possible from society while giving society as little back as possible in return. They've got Republicans convinced that's a good thing. And they've got some Democrats on a leash, too. The American worker and the American family have all of that aligned against them.
America's problem is we just have way too many people far too addicted to a certain level of profits and easy income, and they don't care about anybody else. Just make the right investments and you'll do well. Narry a second thought about what that money is doing to society, whether it be a good thing or not.
Yeah, way to spin the data toward your point.
You neglected to mention that the nations which are MORE productive than the USA all have universal health care as well!
The article makes no correlation between productivity and healthcare. Any such conclusion was all yours.
And what does 'productivity' measure anyway?
It is the number of dollars generated per the number of hours worked.
That means a nation which has more money, more ability to afford intricate automation, meaning fewer workers and fewer hours worked, equates to higher production.
Basically, the nation which has eliminated the most jobs has the highest production.
When traveling in the cotton country, one will see what appears to be lots of cotton left in the field after harvest. Stalks are bent over, most of it has been cleared out, but still a lot remains on the remaining broken stalks. Why? And the corners of the field have not even been touched. Why? It is because cotton is not picked by hand any more and that's what the machine leaves. It wouldn't be worth it to them to pay people to pick the remaining cotton. Automation has ended all of those jobs, and driven the price of cotton so low that it's just not worth it to even try to get what the machine leaves. Just plow it under and grow a new crop next season.
Things like that raise the productivity of a nation.
And that has nothing to do with whether or not today's workers have healthcare.
We could easily have healthcare for everybody at a lower cost than we pay now if we cut out all the exorbitant pay and profits from the process. Big insurance and big pharma have become so powerful they are a formidable force in the challenge to reduce the cost of health care. They have a lot of people getting really rich off of leaving things the way they are. Or, better yet for them, toss out Obamacare and the preexisting conditions. That's what the new SCOTUS will likely do, but if America votes Democrats in power, they also have to power to pass a new law which doesn't violate the Constitution. And the last time I checked, I didn't see anything in the Constitution that says you can't have universal healthcare.
The problem is that Big insurance and big pharma will enlist the Republicans, whom the capitalists have wrapped right around their little finger, and Dems would have to fight both, all teamed up against them. Not to mention the several older Democrats who the capitalists also have wrapped around their little finger.
The capitalists hold formidable power. Their interests are to extract as much money as possible from society while giving society as little back as possible in return. They've got Republicans convinced that's a good thing. And they've got some Democrats on a leash, too. The American worker and the American family have all of that aligned against them.
America's problem is we just have way too many people far too addicted to a certain level of profits and easy income, and they don't care about anybody else. Just make the right investments and you'll do well. Narry a second thought about what that money is doing to society, whether it be a good thing or not.
My only point was to question your claim that said we would be more productive if we had universal health care. There are only 4 nations ahead of us and 30 behind us with universal health care.
I was not basing my conclusion on a correlation between productivity and healthcare from the article. I was basing it on your post:
[Politalker] "If we had a government guaranteed universal health care system then we would have a healthier, more productive, nation."