We have never seen such a senior official say the President is unfit

We survived the prior 8 years...

It is easy to survive 8 years of growth, declining deaths in war, declining poverty, declining crimes, etc. Obviously, the first few months of Obama Era were EXTREMELY rocky as were the last few months of the Bush Era, but after that things started getting better.

We are currently in collapse, and the scary part is worse may well still be to come.
 
It is easy to survive 8 years of growth, declining deaths in war, declining poverty, declining crimes, etc. Obviously, the first few months of Obama Era were EXTREMELY rocky as were the last few months of the Bush Era, but after that things started getting better.

We are currently in collapse, and the scary part is worse may well still be to come.

How would you know, you're only 13 (judging by your posts)?
 
Hello Woko Haram,

I think Trump's got a good chance of beating Biden. He seems rather senile at this point.

However, I do wonder if Biden will actually be the candidate. He's won enough votes in the primaries, but given his decline over the last few months, he may have to concede the candidacy to someone else in his party. I don't think the DNC would allow Sanders to be that person, so it's interesting to think about who it actually might be.

Sounds like fantasy.

Biden knows exactly what he is in for.

He waited quite some time before making his commitment.

He knew exactly what that meant, knew how big a decision it was, did not make it lightly. When he made it he understood what it entailed and knew he would have to be 100% in it for the long run.

It is extremely doubtful he is dropping out.
 
Hello domer76,

It will never matter to the Trumptards. They will blindly ignore the obvious to the bitter end. Just take a look at them on this forum alone.

We must always remember that the people who post here in this forum are not proportionally representative of the nation.

We are just a tiny fraction of people who can put up with a really rough forum that most people want no part of.

Most people don't even want to talk about politics at all.
 
Hello Woko Haram,

I'm pretty sure the worst that will happen to Trump is that he would lose the election. That's about it. If he wins, then several Democrats should worry about investigations headed their way.

If your assumption is that Trump never intended to win, then he spent an awful lot of his own money to lose. It doesn't add up.

It makes total sense. It is exactly what he has done his whole life. He markets his name. His name is his brand. He figured out a long time ago that it doesn't matter how you do it but if you get your name in the news it is free publicity and any publicity is better than none. He believes that people won't remember the details of a bad story about you, all they remember is the name. The more he gets his brand name out there, the more business he gets.

He was pretty bad at business, lost a billion, then he got it through his head that his name was worth more than his business acumen. That is why he began to sell his name. Most of the Trump Towers all over the world are owned by somebody else who paid to have his name on it.

He only ran for the free publicity. He knew that if he stayed in the race longer he would get more publicity. If he was very controversial, more publicity. It's like every time his name is mentioned it is another dollar in his pocket.

It makes total sense that he would run for president with no intention to win.

He did it many times.
 
Hello Cypress,

A minority of voters forced the rest of us to have a president who thinks Finland is part of Russia, and does not know Britain is a nuclear power.

Nice work, deplorables.

He shoulda picked Sarah Palin for VP.

Team clueless.
 
Hello Woko Haram,

He spent $66 million of his own money on his campaign in 2016. Yes, that's not a huge amount for a billionaire, but it's not exactly chump change either.



When considering how much he's been investigated over the last few years yet still hasn't been charged with anything, that means 1 of 2 things:

1) The investigations were nothing burgers.

2) He's pretty good at avoiding charges.

Either way, he'll be fine if he wins or if he loses.

It's number 2 all the way.

He's full of number 2.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

It was with Obama. I think the problem is different with Trump. He is the overbearing, my ideas are great, I'm in charge here sort that has a plan and doesn't want to hear any criticism of it. Obama was the sort that had some great idea and thought that it, and he, were so smart, so brilliant, and that the idea was so incredibly fantastic that people would automatically be onboard with it. That always ended in disaster for him, even before he was President.

Obama thought he was anointed by god and the like and always surprised when no one believed it. Trump is just a bulldozer and when he doesn't get his way he pushes forward through the wreckage anyway.

A great example of this is Trump is building a border wall. You can hate him for it but he's building it nonetheless. Obama talked about the Green economy and went nowhere with it. He wanted gun control and nothing happened. He gave flowery speeches with great eloquence but nothing came out of them.

A completely incorrect assessment of President Obama.

He accomplished what no one before him could do, what everyone thought no one could possibly do. He reformed health care. That was no small feat. He polled at 67% in mid 2009 for skillfully guiding us out of economic peril. Fully knowing that health care reform was the third rail of politics he forged ahead anyway. He knew his polling would fall but unlike DT that was not his main consideration in every decision. He made a goal and he accomplished it.

President Obama gathered a great team, and he listened to them. He didn't fire people just because they disagreed with him. He very carefully considered all the great advice and made careful decisions, often taking longer than people would like because he wanted to make sure he was making the best decision. He totally did not think he was always right on everything. Obama was a great president. He even picked a Republican Secty of Defense. And he reached out to Republicans, invited them to the WH. Obama said in his book "The Audacity of Hope" that he wanted to rekindle the friendly respectful rivalry politics of decades ago. Back in the day Republicans and Democrats would argue things on the floor during the day, then share dinners and drinks in the evening. They were friendly with one another. There was a mutual respect. Newt Gingrich killed all of that. D's and R's stopped talking, stopped socializing. Barack Obama tried very hard to resurrect the previous mutual respect. Republicans rejected his olive branch, were determined to make him fail. Their goal was to never give him a chance, try to make him a one-term president. So stated and attempt carried out but failed.
 
Hello Woko Haram,

This presents several questions, actually.

1) If Trump is so bad at business, why is he wealthy?
2) If this is really all about him maintaining the presidency to avoid charges, then what difference does it make if he wins or loses this next election? Presumably, he could still be charged after ending a second term. If it really is about him possibly going to jail after he exits office, then he's better off fleeing the country to one that doesn't extradite.

Bolton said that as he was asking for Xi's help in the 2020 election that Trump told Xi he was hoping to get the constitution amended so he could serve more than 2 terms.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,



A completely incorrect assessment of President Obama.

He accomplished what no one before him could do, what everyone thought no one could possibly do. He reformed health care. That was no small feat. He polled at 67% in mid 2009 for skillfully guiding us out of economic peril. Fully knowing that health care reform was the third rail of politics he forged ahead anyway. He knew his polling would fall but unlike DT that was not his main consideration in every decision. He made a goal and he accomplished it.

Hardly a great accomplishment. He passed Obamacare on a near total party-line vote--a rarity for major legislation that is nationally popular--taking up nearly the first two years in office doing it singularly to the exclusion of almost everything else. When implemented, it was a disaster and the butt of national jokes. Since then most of its provisions have been gutted or rendered impotent even as the legislation still stands.
It also failed to accomplish any of the goals it was pitched as fixing. The percentage of Americans without health insurance remains about the same. The cost of health insurance and care rose, rather than fell in its wake.
It also caused him a major mid-term defeat and loss of both houses of Congress crippling entirely any further legislative success because Obama was utterly and completely unwilling to compromise with the now Republican majority in Congress. A more competent President would have seen that problem and overcome it, like Clinton did. He successfully compromised and got more done after losing Congress. Obama failed utterly and completely in the face of having to work with others. Instead, he turned to half-measures and work-arounds like executive orders most of which are now invalid.

President Obama gathered a great team, and he listened to them. He didn't fire people just because they disagreed with him. He very carefully considered all the great advice and made careful decisions, often taking longer than people would like because he wanted to make sure he was making the best decision. He totally did not think he was always right on everything. Obama was a great president. He even picked a Republican Secty of Defense. And he reached out to Republicans, invited them to the WH. Obama said in his book "The Audacity of Hope" that he wanted to rekindle the friendly respectful rivalry politics of decades ago. Back in the day Republicans and Democrats would argue things on the floor during the day, then share dinners and drinks in the evening. They were friendly with one another. There was a mutual respect. Newt Gingrich killed all of that. D's and R's stopped talking, stopped socializing. Barack Obama tried very hard to resurrect the previous mutual respect. Republicans rejected his olive branch, were determined to make him fail. Their goal was to never give him a chance, try to make him a one-term president. So stated and attempt carried out but failed.

You can claim that, but the record shows his administration was rife with incompetence and lethargy. I think the Benghazi debacle and subsequent botched and amateurish attempt to cover it up to save face say it all. Even Michelle Obama's initiative to "improve" school lunches was a massive disaster. It wasn't that the two parties stopped talking to each other, as much as it was Obama and his administration being Progressive and Leftist simply did what the Progressive Left always does. Their position on everything was What's ours is ours. What's yours is negotiable. That's a total fail position in a government where compromise is necessary.

Sure, Obama got reelected in part on the very large Black turnout for him, and in part on the Republicans running a 'tard of a candidate, Romney. Regardless, Obama was still ineffective domestically and internationally because of his inability to compromise, his lack of personal willpower to get things done, and I think a certain amount of messiah complex believing that his words alone were enough to move people to do what he wanted. All-in-all, a mediocre president at best.
 
Hello Walt,

Maybe, or maybe earlier. Even maybe later. There is a real question whether we can survive 4.5 more years of trump's incompetence.

We can. We are America. We are strong. We can survive it. We don't want to. We shouldn't have to. We can do so much better. We must do better.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

Hardly a great accomplishment. He passed Obamacare on a near total party-line vote--a rarity for major legislation that is nationally popular--taking up nearly the first two years in office doing it singularly to the exclusion of almost everything else. When implemented, it was a disaster and the butt of national jokes. Since then most of its provisions have been gutted or rendered impotent even as the legislation still stands.
It also failed to accomplish any of the goals it was pitched as fixing. The percentage of Americans without health insurance remains about the same. The cost of health insurance and care rose, rather than fell in its wake.
It also caused him a major mid-term defeat and loss of both houses of Congress crippling entirely any further legislative success because Obama was utterly and completely unwilling to compromise with the now Republican majority in Congress. A more competent President would have seen that problem and overcome it, like Clinton did. He successfully compromised and got more done after losing Congress. Obama failed utterly and completely in the face of having to work with others. Instead, he turned to half-measures and work-arounds like executive orders most of which are now invalid.



You can claim that, but the record shows his administration was rife with incompetence and lethargy. I think the Benghazi debacle and subsequent botched and amateurish attempt to cover it up to save face say it all. Even Michelle Obama's initiative to "improve" school lunches was a massive disaster. It wasn't that the two parties stopped talking to each other, as much as it was Obama and his administration being Progressive and Leftist simply did what the Progressive Left always does. Their position on everything was What's ours is ours. What's yours is negotiable. That's a total fail position in a government where compromise is necessary.

Sure, Obama got reelected in part on the very large Black turnout for him, and in part on the Republicans running a 'tard of a candidate, Romney. Regardless, Obama was still ineffective domestically and internationally because of his inability to compromise, his lack of personal willpower to get things done, and I think a certain amount of messiah complex believing that his words alone were enough to move people to do what he wanted. All-in-all, a mediocre president at best.

You are entitled to your view. I agree the ACA was a sellout to big insurance and big pharma. I disagreed with the compromises which had to be made to get that across the finish line. And that was compromised by the untimely death of Kennedy. I was disappointed in Obama for making those compromises but that was his choice. I also thought he should have been more in touch with America. I would have liked to hear from him more. Not every day like DT, but more like FDR. Obama was such a great speaker. I also thought he should have taken more initiative on race relations. He didn't want his presidency to be about his race so he stayed away from that, especially after the beer summit PR. That was a mistake. I was also disappointed that in pursuing the ACA he gave up all of his political capital and had to abandon his other platform planks, namely reforming education and energy. We needed those things as much as health care. After all of that he now polls higher than DT ever did.
 
Hello Cypress,



He shoulda picked Sarah Palin for VP.

Team clueless.

The heroes and icons of the conservative base just keep getting dumber and dumber. George Dumbya Bush. Sarah Palin. Donald Trumpf.

It is almost as if they admire stupidity.

I personally am putting money on Ted Nugent being the GOP nominee in 2024.
 
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