What A World Government Could Do For Us

RB 60 said:
I wonder if they can afford a bottle of vodka right now (with all the sanctions).

I was leaning more toward what/how Russia is at the moment. Their people are being fed bullshit and propaganda about invading Ukraine and are eating it right up (kinda like liberals). Their press is a bit more government controlled than ours (ours might be if they weren't so far left leaning).
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Hello leaningright,

leaningright said:
Did anybody really read the OP? That’s some scary stuff…
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Yes, it would be scary to think about giving up control over our own nation, particularly the nukes. But when you look at the world today, it's not very safe. The risk of some goofball launching a nuke attack is as great as ever. If we want our own nukes we have to let others have theirs.

It would be better if we created the most secure organization possible to have control of them and then make sure anybody with the power to use them is so well vetted that it creates the most secure situation possible.

That's why I proposed age 60 or so to become world leader, along with a lot of other very stringent requirements. Demonstration of values in leadership, extensive leadership experience, the utmost in anti-corruption laws and enforcement.

We need people to identify as world citizens primarily and citizens of a nation, secondarily.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch,

Looks like we already have, and we're just struggling to come up with damage control.
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Two steps forward and one step back is par for the human race. We’re doing okay as a species. The US itself is going through transition, but I’m sure we’ll be fine in the long run.

Anyone who remembers the 60s, Vietnam, the protests, the riots and Nixon should remember that our times are much better than those times, even with Pedo Don, the WSEs and the COVID/Ukraine economy.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Two steps forward and one step back is par for the human race. We’re doing okay as a species. The US itself is going through transition, but I’m sure we’ll be fine in the long run.

Anyone who remembers the 60s, Vietnam, the protests, the riots and Nixon should remember that our times are much better than those times, even with Pedo Don, the WSEs and the COVID/Ukraine economy.
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Is it borrowed time?
 
A Sci Fi vision for a more efficient world population and management of our planet.

All we have to do is give up control and make sure those who have it are the absolute best.

In return, and end to hunger and war.

Could be worth it.
 
PoliTalker said:
A Sci Fi vision for a more efficient world population and management of our planet.

All we have to do is give up control and make sure those who have it are the absolute best.

In return, and end to hunger and war.

Could be worth it.
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Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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And that is why the system must have checks and balances to ensure that nobody who is weak to that corruption gets anywhere near absolute power. The system must be created which offers absolute power to no individual.

We have seen the weaknesses of the US Constitution. The USA is a great experiment in self-rule. Much has been learned. Other nations have gone to school on the USA. More lessons learned. We are now at a position where we can attempt to write a World Constitution which would prevent all of the weaknesses seen before in history; the ultimate Constitution.

It is pretty obvious the world is largely out of control. World organization and management is badly needed.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,
And that is why the system must have checks and balances to ensure that nobody who is weak to that corruption gets anywhere near absolute power. The system must be created which offers absolute power to no individual.

We have seen the weaknesses of the US Constitution. The USA is a great experiment in self-rule. Much has been learned. Other nations have gone to school on the USA. More lessons learned. We are now at a position where we can attempt to write a World Constitution which would prevent all of the weaknesses seen before in history; the ultimate Constitution.

It is pretty obvious the world is largely out of control. World organization and management is badly needed.
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Sorry, dear Poli, but even an elite Politiburo would eventually become corrupted. Again, note the results of the USSR and PRC.

IMO, the best solution is to open up a frontier to allow all those who desire to be free to leave and those who desire cradle to grave care to sit and grow fat.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sorry, dear Poli, but even an elite Politiburo would eventually become corrupted. Again, note the results of the USSR and PRC.

IMO, the best solution is to open up a frontier to allow all those who desire to be free to leave and those who desire cradle to grave care to sit and grow fat.
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Neither the USSR or the PRC have done what I propose.

Plus, we get to learn from what went wrong with each system. The World Constitution could be written in such a way to address every known way for things to go wrong.
 
PoliTalker said:
Neither the USSR or the PRC have done what I propose.

Plus, we get to learn from what went wrong with each system. The World Constitution could be written in such a way to address every known way for things to go wrong.
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They started out the way you proposed but, since power corrupts, that’s not the way it ended up. It’s part of human nature at this stage of our evolution. We are simply too weak as a species to have access to unlimited power.

You and I both grew up under the threat of global annihilation from nuclear war. Many thought we had outgrown that stage but Putin’s actions in Ukraine have proved we have not. While I hope a full nuclear exchange can be avoided, the use of nukes cannot be ruled out. The reason I bring this up is because you want to empower an elite group human beings with the full power to wipe out any group of other human beings at will.

IMHO, our species is not ready for that step.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
They started out the way you proposed but, since power corrupts, that’s not the way it ended up. It’s part of human nature at this stage of our evolution. We are simply too weak as a species to have access to unlimited power.

You and I both grew up under the threat of global annihilation from nuclear war. Many thought we had outgrown that stage but Putin’s actions in Ukraine have proved we have not. While I hope a full nuclear exchange can be avoided, the use of nukes cannot be ruled out. The reason I bring this up is because you want to empower an elite group human beings with the full power to wipe out any group of other human beings at will.

IMHO, our species is not ready for that step.
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That already exists. I want to ensure that the people who have this power are the best possible choice that humanity can make.

What we got going on now ain't getting it.

Sure, we got this pest Putin drunk on power. He could push the button if backed into a corner.

And who is to say that some extremist group somewhere in the world is not going to get their hands on a nuke?

Sooner or later.

Our only chance is to have a powerful world government.

And yes, that is a scary idea.

So before we go there we have to make sure we set up a system that has so many checks and balances that nobody is going to have the opportunity to get power-drunk and get away with some nefarious plan that violates the World Constitution.

We need the ultimate document. The kind of Constitution that makes the US Constitution look like child-play.

The world has advanced so much since 1789, don't you think? We know so much more. We have seen so many ways that corruption seeps in. Such a document could be written and proposed in draft form without making any commitments. We could get all the wisest people in the world to make their suggestions if they wish to. And let everybody have a chance to comment on it.

Then, let an international team of Nobel Prize winners contemplate all the best suggestions, from the popular to the well-regarded, and by the most scholarly, and they shall produce a final version for ratification by all the nations of the world.

That way, everybody can consider it and decide for themselves.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

That already exists. I want to ensure that the people who have this power are the best possible choice that humanity can make.

What we got going on now ain't getting it.

Sure, we got this pest Putin drunk on power. He could push the button if backed into a corner.

And who is to say that some extremist group somewhere in the world is not going to get their hands on a nuke?

Sooner or later.

Our only chance is to have a powerful world government.

And yes, that is a scary idea.

So before we go there we have to make sure we set up a system that has so many checks and balances that nobody is going to have the opportunity to get power-drunk and get away with some nefarious plan that violates the World Constitution.

We need the ultimate document. The kind of Constitution that makes the US Constitution look like child-play.

The world has advanced so much since 1789, don't you think? We know so much more. We have seen so many ways that corruption seeps in. Such a document could be written and proposed in draft form without making any commitments. We could get all the wisest people in the world to make their suggestions if they wish to. And let everybody have a chance to comment on it.

Then, let an international team of Nobel Prize winners contemplate all the best suggestions, from the popular to the well-regarded, and by the most scholarly, and they shall produce a final version for ratification by all the nations of the world.

That way, everybody can consider it and decide for themselves.
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What would be the purpose of nations in a one-world government?

Your solution is a one-world woke government?
 
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