What are the Dems up to threatening Turkey?

Darla said:
Ok, one more time:

I reject the premise that this would in any way harm our troops.

The resolution, any invasion, period.

You think that just because you make a claim, all of a sudden, viola! it's the undisputed truth. But I disputed it then, and I dispute it now.

You are asking me the equivalent of "when did you stop beating up your girlfriend"?

and you keep waiting for me to play, and becoming more and more enraged when I refuse to. But I'm not going to play, because I disagree with the basic premise. It's pretty simple to wrap your mind around.
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Ok... if you honestly believe there is no danger to the troops from this, then you would be correct. I obviously have no idea how you can think an escalation bewteen Turks and Kurds in Northern Iraq will not affect our troops. Maybe you could explain that?
 
AssHatZombie said:
The kurds should have their own nation. The fear of BALKANIZATION is just NWO mind control tactic.
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While technically I agree with you, I just don't know how you go about it. You have Kurd populations in Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Unless all the Kurds move into Northern Iraq (and Iraq agrees) or you find a way to negotiate with Turkey, Iraq and Iran to give up the lands that are dominated by Kurds within their countries... I just don't see this happening... especially given the oil involved.
 
DigitalDave said:
Been eating Pita's with Sweet Red Pepper Hummus, Pretzels, and lots of water...
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That hummus sounds delicious.

I don't know why, but M & M's helped me a lot when I was quitting. Maybe because I am a bit of a chocolate fiend.

Good luck with it. The best time to quit is anytime before you have to quit. And when you have to quit is after you smoke the last cig just before you go into the office for your test results. I've known too many people who quit that way. They are what I thought about when I weakened.
 
DigitalDave said:
Thanks man! Gotta keep this up though, I'm not all the way out of the woods yet :)
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Mind over matter. After the first few weeks, it becomes more psychological than physical. It sucks, but the further away you get from that last cigarette, the easier it will become. Just keep telling yourself the smell of it makes you want to puke. I tried imagining what WOULD make me puke when I quit.... tried associating it with smoke... to an extent it worked... of course now being around smoke does make me want to puke... so look out for that side effect. :)
 
DigitalDave said:
My premise is that Turkey, even though they have been considering military action for quite some time, have been holding off because of their relations with the US. Now that we are dealing with this resolution, they are ignoring our desire for them to stay out. This House Resolution is damaging our relations with them and the one thing that kept them out is now no longer a concern.
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I agree that the resolution can damage our diplomatic relations with turkey.

But, nothing I've ever seen in the history of the last half century would suggest to me that a sovereign nation would commit thousands of troops, and millions of dollars, on a war or invasion because a panel in a legislative body half a world away voted on a resolution.

Its a fig leaf, at best.
 
Darla said:
That hummus sounds delicious.

I don't know why, but M & M's helped me a lot when I was quitting. Maybe because I am a bit of a chocolate fiend.

Good luck with it. The best time to quit is anytime before you have to quit. And when you have to quit is after you smoke the last cig just before you go into the office for your test results. I've known too many people who quit that way. They are what I thought about when I weakened.
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Oh it's the best! Bought it as a gift to myself for making it 24 hours and its been well worth it :)

I've been setting aside money for the packs of cig's I would buy and getting something as a reward to remind myself just what i could be getting instead of cigs... it's working good so far.
 
Darla said:
So now it's "your guess"

And I am supposed to change my statement based on your guess.

I see.
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As to exactly how it would play out... yes, it is a guess. The other possible outcome is that we do nothing. If that happens, we lose support from both the Turks AND the Kurds. Which means our supply lines may be hampered (which could hurt the troops) and it means that we no longer have the Kurds helping with Security in the north, which means that our troops will have the additional burden when they are already stretched thin. (which will also hurt the troops).

So either way... the troops are going to be hurt by an escalation between the Turks and Kurds. Please provide one example of why you think they would not be affected by an escalation.

Or perhaps you could explain WHY the politicians in DC are backing down on this right now just as fast as they can?
 
Superfreak said:
While technically I agree with you, I just don't know how you go about it. You have Kurd populations in Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Unless all the Kurds move into Northern Iraq (and Iraq agrees) or you find a way to negotiate with Turkey, Iraq and Iran to give up the lands that are dominated by Kurds within their countries... I just don't see this happening... especially given the oil involved.
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But the jews get theirs, no questions asked, despite bringing the entire world into war. Don't blow smoke up my ass.
 
Superfreak said:
As to exactly how it would play out... yes, it is a guess. The other possible outcome is that we do nothing. If that happens, we lose support from both the Turks AND the Kurds. Which means our supply lines may be hampered (which could hurt the troops) and it means that we no longer have the Kurds helping with Security in the north, which means that our troops will have the additional burden when they are already stretched thin. (which will also hurt the troops).

So either way... the troops are going to be hurt by an escalation between the Turks and Kurds. Please provide one example of why you think they would not be affected by an escalation.

Or perhaps you could explain WHY the politicians in DC are backing down on this right now just as fast as they can?
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So either way... the troops are going to be hurt by an escalation between the Turks and Kurds. Please provide one example of why you think they would not be affected by an escalation.

Please don't try to quietly tip toe away from the original assertion.

No one said that a turkish invasion of iraq would be a good thing. It would totally suck.

What you said, is that the turks might invade because of a vote on a house panel. I reject that premise, with extreme prejudice.
 
Superfreak said:
As to exactly how it would play out... yes, it is a guess. The other possible outcome is that we do nothing. If that happens, we lose support from both the Turks AND the Kurds. Which means our supply lines may be hampered (which could hurt the troops) and it means that we no longer have the Kurds helping with Security in the north, which means that our troops will have the additional burden when they are already stretched thin. (which will also hurt the troops).

So either way... the troops are going to be hurt by an escalation between the Turks and Kurds. Please provide one example of why you think they would not be affected by an escalation.

Or perhaps you could explain WHY the politicians in DC are backing down on this right now just as fast as they can?
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The politicians are backing down because Turkey really did a great job with this. Now, if Turkey invades (if they invade, it will be because they were going to anyway), whoever voted for this would have it pinned on them. It's politics.

Our supply lines are always hampered, mostly by ieds murdering our guys, but the supplies get through anyway. The war always finds a way to go on, don't worry so much about it. I'm sure we have contingency plans for something as basic as supply routes.
 
Cypress said:
I agree that the resolution can damage our diplomatic relations with turkey.

But, nothing I've ever seen in the history of the last half century would suggest to me that a sovereign nation would commit thousands of troops, and millions of dollars, on a war or invasion because a panel in a legislative body half a world away voted on a resolution.

Its a fig leaf, at best.
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Our diplomatic relations have been what has been holding them back though. I'm not saying they are preparing to attack BECAUSE of the resolution. I'm saying they are threatening to attack because they've been wanting to, and we've stopped them thus far, but now they don't care. They don't care because our relations have diminished and this Resolution would be the nail in the coffin as far as relations go. They'll do as they wish despite ours desires to keep them out.
 
Cypress said:
So either way... the troops are going to be hurt by an escalation between the Turks and Kurds. Please provide one example of why you think they would not be affected by an escalation.

Please don't try to quietly tip toe away from the original assertion.

No one said that a turkish invasion of iraq would be a good thing. It would totally suck.

What you said, is that the turks might invade because of a vote on a house panel. I reject that premise, with extreme prejudice.
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I know, that is so obvious. It's like Bush saying that we invaded iraq because Saddam thumbed his nose at us.

I'm just amazed by the level of gullibility here. But in SF's case, I think it is willful. I think that a lot of republican war supporters are desperate to pin any sort of blame they can, for this war, on democrats. I say that in total sincerity, not to be inflammatory.

Because I think that it's true.
 
DigitalDave said:
Our diplomatic relations have been what has been holding them back though. I'm not saying they are preparing to attack BECAUSE of the resolution. I'm saying they are threatening to attack because they've been wanting to, and we've stopped them thus far, but now they don't care. They don't care because our relations have diminished and this Resolution would be the nail in the coffin as far as relations go. They'll do as they wish despite ours desires to keep them out.
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I'm saying they are threatening to attack because they've been wanting to, and we've stopped them thus far, but now they don't care.

Speculation.

The turks are going to do what's in their best interest. My speculation is that this is saber rattling, and little more. At most, the turks may mount covert or special ops raids into northern iraq. The turks aren't stupid. They know what happend to them the last two times they actually invaded iraqi kurdistan.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But the jews get theirs, no questions asked, despite bringing the entire world into war. Don't blow smoke up my ass.
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Dude... where did I say that should have happened either? Note that ALL of it occured at the end of WWI???

No one wanted the Jews so the victors of WWI decided to give them the land in palestine. At the same time they arbitrarily broke up the Ottoman empire without regard to the different religious sects within it.

They compounded it at the end of WWII and again in the forty years since the 1967 war. That doesn't make it any friggin easier today to split a Kurdistan out of the existing countries.
 
Darla said:
I know, that is so obvious. It's like Bush saying that we invaded iraq because Saddam thumbed his nose at us.

I'm just amazed by the level of gullibility here. But in SF's case, I think it is willful. I think that a lot of republican war supporters are desperate to pin any sort of blame they can, for this war, on democrats. I say that in total sincerity, not to be inflammatory.

Because I think that it's true.
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I know, that is so obvious. It's like Bush saying that we invaded iraq because Saddam thumbed his nose at us.

LOL

Now, where have we heard that before?
 
Darla said:
I know, that is so obvious. It's like Bush saying that we invaded iraq because Saddam thumbed his nose at us.

I'm just amazed by the level of gullibility here. But in SF's case, I think it is willful. I think that a lot of republican war supporters are desperate to pin any sort of blame they can, for this war, on democrats. I say that in total sincerity, not to be inflammatory.

Because I think that it's true.
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Again you two morons refuse any type of chronological evidence that contradicts your views. Cypress is a fucking moron and you are following him down a moronic path. NO ONE has stated that the resolution is the SOLE reason that the Turks would go into Iraq. We have stated over and over again that they have wanted to for some time. But because they are a NATO ally and they did not want to "hurt" relations with the US they have thus held back.

They warned us that this resolution would "hurt" relations between our countries and that it would lead to consequences. They followed our committees decision to hold a vote with a decision to hold a vote on authorizing force. They followed our committees passing the vote and desire to go to the full house with the passing of their amendment to use force.

Surely you are intelligent enough Darla to follow that order. Don't worry about Cypress.... we all know he is far too ignorant to understand or comprehend that.
 
"What you said, is that the turks might invade because of a vote on a house panel. I reject that premise, with extreme prejudice."

Then you are a complete fucking moron. Because that is EXACTLY what they told us would happen.
 
Darla said:
I know, that is so obvious. It's like Bush saying that we invaded iraq because Saddam thumbed his nose at us.

I'm just amazed by the level of gullibility here. But in SF's case, I think it is willful. I think that a lot of republican war supporters are desperate to pin any sort of blame they can, for this war, on democrats. I say that in total sincerity, not to be inflammatory.

Because I think that it's true.
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By the way Darla... I noticed you completely ignored any attempt to answer any of the above questions I posted to you....

WHY do YOU think the politicians are backing down from a full vote NOW????
 
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