What Does Freedom Mean?

Cypress said:
A good thing too. The founding fathers thought they were fighting for their rights as Englishmen.

By the standards of world history, English common law and English limited constitutional government was considered the gold standard of civil society. From USA to Canada to Australia, India, and Kenya, etc. It is recognized as a stable and viable system of civil society by people of European, Asian, and African heritage. In that sense, it is so widely adopted, it is not even quintessentially English anymore
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Lol, the British Empire killed probably 100 million or so people.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No, just like not all Poles are racist retards.
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Western Europeans express themselves as retards on race / racism & culture.

Going from extreme measures of racist imperialism & genocides.

Do a 180

Now support anti racist suicide.

In both cases West Euros support loss of cultures .

Fcked up peoples to say the very least.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Lol, the British Empire killed probably 100 million or so people.
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You are responding to what you wish I wrote, not what I actually wrote.

My post referenced English common law and limited constitutional government.

I said nothing, nada, zilch, zip about British colonialism.

India, Kenya, Trinidad, Bahamas would not chosen to emulate British common law and civil traditions if it were not in their interest.
 
Cypress said:
You are responding to what you wish I wrote, not what I actually wrote.

My post referenced English common law and limited constitutional government.

I said nothing, nada, zilch, zip about British colonialism.

India, Kenya, Trinidad, Bahamas would not chosen to emulate British common law and civil traditions if it were not in their interest.
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Lol, India lost 60 to 85 million due to British colonialism , Kenyans were in British death camps in the Mau Mau uprisings, Barbados & Trindad came as Black African or Hindu Indian slaves.

The blood is on British hands.

PS.

You do realize Polish parliament Sejm came earlier & offered double the voting rights as the British Magna Carta?

Freedom.of religion also predates USA in the Polish Warsaw Confederation by over 200 years
 
It’s knuckle neck!

My family immigrated here from Ellis island.
He remembers what his grandparents did and
where they came from. He has a college degree
From the Bronx and a law degree from the military.
He holds a high rank. He ended up in jail for corruption.
That’s his kid. We’re Italian.


 
Cypress said:
You are responding to what you wish I wrote, not what I actually wrote.

My post referenced English common law and limited constitutional government.

I said nothing, nada, zilch, zip about British colonialism.

India, Kenya, Trinidad, Bahamas would not chosen to emulate British common law and civil traditions if it were not in their interest.
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Matt has trouble staying focused. He has a nasty habit of seeing things the way he wants instead of the way they are.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Thanks. Sorry, but I couldn’t quite make the turn there. Yes, there are real pieces of shit out there and, yes, justice is not always done. Sorry your family had to run into a POS. In the end, my guess (or hope) is that she loses the kids to CPS and ends up a skank ho on a street corner.

Regardless, we were discussing Freedom and whether the government has a right to treat women like baby-making machines with less rights than men.

IMO, if there was no intent of pregnancy and a women becomes pregnant, it’s her call on the abortion with the father paying half.

IF, and AFAIK this isn’t law, she doesn’t want to abort but wants to milk the system and the father, then the father ponies up half the cost of the abortion and it becomes adjudicated that he bears no further responsibility.

Other situations would have to be adjudicated case-by-case such as a situation where both want the child but want nothing to do with each other.
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Well, my kid and another guy involved got to know each other and they both got full custody of their child. The third, even she couldn't figure out who's it was. Don't know what happened there. Last time I heard anything about her was she was homeless and a drug addict...

I still think it should be a couple's right to choose. She could still run the risk of not talking to the father and having an abortion, but there'd be the potential he finds out and sues her for not involving him. On the flip side, she doesn't inform him prior to having the kid, she runs the risk of not being able to collect child support. That is, the man involved says "I would have opted for the abortion..." and poof! No child support. That's fair and equal.
 
Cypress said:
A good thing too. The founding fathers thought they were fighting for their rights as Englishmen.

By the standards of world history, English common law and English limited constitutional government was considered the gold standard of civil society. From USA to Canada to Australia, India, and Kenya, etc. It is recognized as a stable and viable system of civil society by people of European, Asian, and African heritage. In that sense, it is so widely adopted, it is not even quintessentially English anymore
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white supremacy is pernicious.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



A specific situation which in no way accounts for all possibilities, but if both participated willingly then both share the responsibility for the result.
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Exactly. But if the woman makes all the decisions up to birth and then expects the man to accept her decisions, that isn't being fair and equal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Well, my kid and another guy involved got to know each other and they both got full custody of their child. The third, even she couldn't figure out who's it was. Don't know what happened there. Last time I heard anything about her was she was homeless and a drug addict...

I still think it should be a couple's right to choose. She could still run the risk of not talking to the father and having an abortion, but there'd be the potential he finds out and sues her for not involving him. On the flip side, she doesn't inform him prior to having the kid, she runs the risk of not being able to collect child support. That is, the man involved says "I would have opted for the abortion..." and poof! No child support. That's fair and equal.
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Genetic testing is good. Baby has two daddies? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Agreed that if a woman hides a pregnancy she can’t come begging for money later. For fairness and equality there should be a window.

Still, most people who don’t want kids use contraception first and an abortion last. I support the concept that abortion should be legal, safe and rare. The best way to reduce abortions is to increase education and contraception.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Lol, if we want to have a honest discussion on British successes we should also discuss their brutal colonialism.
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Matt, the honest discussion this thread is the meaning of freedom, not your retarded hate of the west and bullshit Polish White Supremacist arguments.

If you want to bitch about the fucking brits, go start a thread on it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Exactly. But if the woman makes all the decisions up to birth and then expects the man to accept her decisions, that isn't being fair and equal.
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Agreed. This is why I think it needs to go back to intent. Were they trying to make a baby or not? Were they married/engaged or not? Was it a one-night stand or a long relationship. That’s the context where the matter of fairness and equality should be IMO.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Matt, the honest discussion this thread is the meaning of freedom, not your retarded hate of the west and bullshit Polish White Supremacist arguments.

If you want to bitch about the fucking brits, go start a thread on it.
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The Brits never shared freedom with conquered peoples.

Completely relevant that they oppressed others while endowed themselves with limited freedom.
 
Cypress said:
You are responding to what you wish I wrote, not what I actually wrote.

My post referenced English common law and limited constitutional government.

I said nothing, nada, zilch, zip about British colonialism.

India, Kenya, Trinidad, Bahamas would not chosen to emulate British common law and civil traditions if it were not in their interest.
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you're fucking hilarious.
 
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