What Does Freedom Mean?

PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



I completely agree, but I also recognize that logically, as time progresses, government must become larger, laws must become more numerous, and freedom must become more limited. It is for the good of society.

In 1900, everyone had the freedom to create their own radio and send out all the signals they desired. Everyone also had the right to build their own airplane and fly it wherever they pleased.

Neither of those things is allowed today, and for very good reason.
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wrong, you may certainly build your own airplane.

Your willful ignorance is ignorant.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If it's her decision and hers alone to have the child or an abortion, and the man gets no say being essentially at that point a sperm donor, then the situation shouldn't change if she has the child. It's her child and it was her decision to have the child. No child support should be forced on the man.

Now, if it's the couple's decision, then they decide as a couple with equal rights and responsibilities. That's fair and equal all the way around.

So, which is it you want: The woman making all the decisions but economic responsibility forced on the man without his having any recourse or say--totally one-sided--or the couple making a decision together with equal rights and responsibilities towards the outcome?

Now, if you're going to argue that the woman might not know who the father is, or that sort of thing, then maybe she should have taken some responsibility and not slept with the whole goddamned trailer park.
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If HE doesn't want to pay child support for 18 years, HE should use a condom each and every time and not expect HIS partners to take full responsibility for birth control.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello goat,



That is a conspiracy theory which lacks complete evidence.



Only extremists want revolt. Most of America is happy with the status quo. The most aggrieved revolutionaries were already drawn out during the Jan 6th insurrection, and that didn't get very far. Now they are all being hunted down one by one to face justice. Anybody else wants to try will only result in them, too, getting their 15 minutes of fame on the news and then that story scrolls off to be replaced by something else as they face the remainder of their ruined life in prison.

The basic problem with expecting Americans to join a revolt is that most Americans just have it too good to want to give it all up and try to take on the US government in an armed conflict.
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Young folk are not happy with the status quo. Our complicity left young folk with no other choice but revolt. Neo-feudalism, debtors prison, and the gig economy are the exact opposite of freedom. The US is a third world country. We know the next economic collapse is right around the corner, resulting in even higher unemployment than the 25.4% of today. Open your eyes to all the homeless sleeping on the sidewalks of empire.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Dude it's true. In fact, one of the kids got caught up in something like that. Thankfully, we were able to get him sole custody of his son early on and stick her with the child support bill. Since she was stupid enough to brag about what she made it got jacked higher. I think she's in arrears something like over $50,000 now but he's not pushing it since we never hear from her. I know her credit score is in the negative since she never changed her mailing address for some of the bills, they come to my house. I got one from a helicopter air evac a few years ago for nearly $30,000 she hadn't paid on...
Quite frankly, I doubt she could get a car title or payday loan today.
And, yea, I helped the kid demolish her in the court hearings. I insulted the hell out of her lawyer during one hearing so badly the judge was laughing at him. Man do I hate lawyers...

Anyway she had three kids and was getting child support for all of them on top of Section 8 and other government assistance. She spent the money on oxycodone, and a boob job. Never gave a fuck about the kids. She made the oldest watch the others because she couldn't be bothered to do that... Real piece of shit.
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"Got caught up in....," laughable. "One of the kids" made the choice to sleep with this woman without using condoms and then blamed her for getting pregnant. If she really was the slut you describe, "one of the kids" should have used better judgment and given it a pass.
 
Phantasmal said:
Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose. - Janice Joplin
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Hello goat,

goat said:
Young folk are not happy with the status quo. Our complicity left young folk with no other choice but revolt. Neo-feudalism, debtors prison, and the gig economy are the exact opposite of freedom. The US is a third world country. We know the next economic collapse is right around the corner, resulting in even higher unemployment than the 25.4% of today. Open your eyes to all the homeless sleeping on the sidewalks of empire.
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There are young people doing well, just not as many are able to do it from modest beginnings. Some Democrats are really trying to work on that. Others, not so much. It's difficult to make progress while working within the system. But we must.

There is no having a quiet little revolt all to ourselves. If that begins, outside forces are coming into the USA and applying pressure to suit their own interests. The things revolutionaries envision are not real, nor well thought out.

We have to keep on fighting the good fight. We have no other viable choice.
 
Cypress said:
In the political context, we get that conception of freedom from Mill, as well as famously his moral philosophy: the greatest good for the greatest number of people is the gold standard of ethical public policy.
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Despite our history as a melting pot, there’s no doubt the majority of our laws and customs are Eurocentric and, more specifically, mainly English in origin.
 
NikodemPoplawski said:
Because abortion kills life.
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Matt, we kill life all the time. In fact, we just killed life with a drone. Why do you hate America? Why don’t you go live with your Polish White Supremacist friends in the old country? Is it because you are broke? The Irish whore won’t let you? You’re a chickenshit?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Matt, we kill life all the time. In fact, we just killed life with a drone. Why do you hate America? Why don’t you go live with your Polish White Supremacist friends in the old country? Is it because you are broke? The Irish whore won’t let you? You’re a chickenshit?
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Lol, killing a terrorist scumbag is not the same as killing the unborn.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Despite our history as a melting pot, there’s no doubt the majority of our laws and customs are Eurocentric and, more specifically, mainly English in origin.
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A good thing too. The founding fathers thought they were fighting for their rights as Englishmen.

By the standards of world history, English common law and English limited constitutional government was considered the gold standard of civil society. From USA to Canada to Australia, India, and Kenya, etc. It is recognized as a stable and viable system of civil society by people of European, Asian, and African heritage. In that sense, it is so widely adopted, it is not even quintessentially English anymore
 
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