What happens if Trump is convicted in hush-money trial?

[Dutch Uncle]

Last I heard he's calling the thugs "hostages" and promising to pardon them all, if reelected.

Only the biggest dimwits believe that. Trump promised them pardons the first time. Why would they expect him to keep such a promise the second time? It goes with the "Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me" rule.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I also expect that even if/when convicted, the Gropingfuehrer will not lose a single MAGAT vote. As we see here, most of the Reichwingers believe that he's innocent and that all the various charges against him in various jurisdiction are nothing more than political persecution.

You truly cannot fix stupid.

Actually, if Trump is convicted, I fully expect his popularity to rise and Biden's to fall further.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Unfortunately, aren't most, if not all, the same charges, just 34 different instances? Not a lawyer, but it appears it's an all or nothing thing. Maybe if some had better documentation that the others?

FWIW, I'm predicting a hung jury at best. I hope he's convicted, but not sure there's enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yes, it's called "charge stacking." It's like being issued 34 speeding tickets, one for each mile you sped. I too expect at best, a hung jury.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Actually, if Trump is convicted, I fully expect his popularity to rise and Biden's to fall further.

Given the Deplorables' lack of principles, morality, ethics, and honor -- I expect you're correct.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

according to those who understand the law, appeal and reversal......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

even Jake Tapper.....

TAPPER: So, the judge now says they're going to break around 5:00 p.m. The jury is entering the courtroom. The court officer is back at the bench speaking with Judge Merchan, and just a reminder, I'm going to be rudely interrupting everybody during the trial to bring them tidbits of information. I apologize, one and all.

But, Brandi, let me ask you that. What Tim just said makes -- to me, makes sense because I don't know that they have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald -- that even if you believe the prosecution's theory of the case, that Michael Cohen was doing this and Allen Weisselberg was doing that, and McConney was doing this and all these people were doing all this stuff, I don't know that they've proven that Donald Trump knew.

BRANDI HARDEN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER: They have not.

TAPPER: Yeah.

HARDEN: They absolutely have not. And I think, you know, time and time again, people keep talking about what might be missing or what's not quite there. That is, in fact reasonable doubt when things are missing, when there are facts that to want to hear and you look to the prosecution and say, so where is that thing. That means unfortunately here, he should be acquitted.

And I think that because there are certain things that the government has to prove here, certain specifics that he knew he had specific knowledge of these things. Those are just things I think that that have fallen by the wayside. They just have not established those things in this particular case.

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2024-05-28/segment/01

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't think it makes any difference.
Trump has his hand-picked SCOTUS to get him off the hook if he IS convicted.

We didn't need to put Trump on trial.
We needed Biden to drone his fat ass.

SCOTUS couldn't do much about that,
but Biden and my party are coming up short
in the balls department.

It makes me sick.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Actually, if Trump is convicted, I fully expect his popularity to rise and Biden's to fall further.

Only among his fans. I doubt the Nikki fans will be impressed. Not that they'll vote for Biden, but like the Bernie fans in 2020, they'll just not vote for President. About a 20% loss of Republican votes.

Alternatively, some will vote like myself; a Libertarian ticket.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, it's called "charge stacking." It's like being issued 34 speeding tickets, one for each mile you sped. I too expect at best, a hung jury.

Bullshit, Terry. If you sped 34 times and ran from the police each time, that'd be 34 of the same charges.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Given the Deplorables' lack of principles, morality, ethics, and honor -- I expect you're correct.

If it does, I weep for our justice system. New York and Leftists will have destroyed much of the public's faith in it. Say what you want, but the majority of Americans aren't on board with lawfare, and that's what they're seeing happen, like it or not.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Bullshit, Terry. If you sped 34 times and ran from the police each time, that'd be 34 of the same charges.

Thanks for helping me make my argument! What underlying crime did Trump commit to be charged 34 times for the bookkeeping felonies?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks for helping me make my argument! What underlying crime did Trump commit to be charged 34 times for the bookkeeping felonies?

A 40 day (?) trial and you don't know the charges, Terry? Interesting.

Here, let me help you: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-06-24/h_4bc94485c23bba67c2a3806eb2240d53

Trump faces 34 counts in hush money trial​

A table showing that former President Donald Trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree in his hush money trial.
Falsifying business records in the first degree 34 counts


Please let me know if I can be of further assistance, Terry.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A 40 day (?) trial and you don't know the charges, Terry? Interesting.

Here, let me help you: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-06-24/h_4bc94485c23bba67c2a3806eb2240d53

Trump faces 34 counts in hush money trial​

A table showing that former President Donald Trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree in his hush money trial.
Table with 3 columns and 1 rows.

Charge	Defendant(s)	Counts
Falsifying business records in the first degree	Donald Trump	34

God you are fucking stupid. For this to be charged as a felony Trump must have committed an underlying crime that resulted in the elevation of the seriousness of the charges to felony status. What underlying crime did he commit?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

God you are fucking stupid. For this to be charged as a felony Trump must have committed an underlying crime that resulted in the elevation of the seriousness of the charges to felony status. What underlying crime did he commit?

^^^
Complains about people going off topic and/or attacking members with insults but doesn't hold himself to the same standard. There's a term for people like that, but I can't remember it at the moment.

I'm not a lawyer, Terry. Neither a real one nor a sea lawyer nor an Internet lawyer. I'm content to wait for the verdict and the appeal(s). YMMV

The fact you didn't take the poll tells me your beliefs in this are mixed and you don't want to commit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

^^^
Complains about people going off topic and/or attacking members with insults but doesn't hold himself to the same standard. There's a term for people like that, but I can't remember it at the moment.

I'm not a lawyer, Terry. Neither a real one nor a sea lawyer nor an Internet lawyer. I'm content to wait for the verdict and the appeal(s). YMMV

The fact you didn't take the poll tells me your beliefs in this are mixed and you don't want to commit.

Your ad hominem and weasel excuses aside, I did vote in your poll. None of that changes what I asked you. The problem in this trial is that Bragg, with cooperation from the judge, are holding what is essentially a show trail in the Stalinist mold and I truly hope the jury is smart enough to see that. Whether it is hung, or it acquits, is fine by me. Finding Trump guilty for this travesty is just wrong.

I know a lot of people, you included, absolutely hate the man, but that doesn't change what I'm stating. Bragg and James have turned the NY justice system into a typical Turd World joke that you'd find in some asshole dictatorship like I mentioned, in Myanmar, Venezuela, or Russia for a few examples. It doesn't bode well for America that it's happening at all.

Oh, if it is a hung jury, I fully expect the judge to demand that they go back and deliberate more until they find a verdict (of guilty). If they come back with acquittal, I expect rioting across the nation by the radical Left to follow.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Given the Deplorables' lack of principles, morality, ethics, and honor -- I expect you're correct.

Oath-breakers, traitors, conspiracy theorist nutjobs and those so poorly educated and/or stupid of lower intelligence who are vulnerable to fearmongering seem to make up the majority of Trump fans.

Fearmongering works very well against that latter group and, given the standard IQ bell curve, there's a lot of people who are vulnerable.

How to Relax and Enjoy Life in a Fear-Mongering World

Take a pen or pencil with you and write out what scares you. Make a story out of it it. Then it's yours; it's not something that happens to you. It's something you own.

www.psychologytoday.com

...Of course, nobody can blame us for being jittery these days: politicians, newscasters and spokespersons from various organizations are selling fear like it’s a hot new item. They don’t call it “fear”, naturally, but label it as “the real information” or “the story you won’t hear anywhere else.” They also smuggle vicious and narrow provincialism under the label of “patriotism" and mask cheap, tawdry cowardice under the name “cunning.”


It’s a scam. Fear-mongers profit from our trepidation. They’re acting out of financial self-interest not out of national duty. Think about the phrase “fear mongering” and then consider that the only other word we ordinarily link to “mongering” is “fish.” Fear and fish are healthy in certain doses, but both start to stink if they come from bad sources or if you don’t put them to good use...

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Your ad hominem and weasel excuses aside...

What ad hominem, Terry? You called me "fucking stupid" and now accuse me of "weasel excuses". What are you claiming I labeled you?

It's not my poll so I don't understand your accusation. It's good that you participated. Note that we both voted the same way.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

What ad hominem, Terry? You called me "fucking stupid" and now accuse me of "weasel excuses". What are you claiming I labeled you?

It's not my poll so I don't understand your accusation. It's good that you participated. Note that we both voted the same way.

Yes, that's an insult. You responded with ad hominem. That is you didn't address the argument but rather obliquely insulted me for making the one I did.

What follows that are weasel words.

weasel word​

noun​

: a word used in order to evade or retreat from a direct or forthright statement or position

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, that's an insult. You responded with ad hominem. That is you didn't address the argument but rather obliquely insulted me for making the one I did.

What follows that are weasel words.

weasel word​

noun​

: a word used in order to evade or retreat from a direct or forthright statement or position

You claim I responded with an ad hominem but you refuse to say what it is. That's odd, Terry.

Thanks for the personal attack claiming "weasel words" yet, again, you refuse to specify.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You claim I responded with an ad hominem but you refuse to say what it is. That's odd, Terry.

Thanks for the personal attack claiming "weasel words" yet, again, you refuse to specify.

I put it clearly:

That is you didn't address the argument but rather obliquely insulted me for making the one I did

By making an insulting response to my argument, you used ad hominem.