what is too much and why don't the people that count speak up?

Immanuel said:
What is the "Pursuit of Happiness"? Wealth for the most part.

I am sure you see it as everyone being considered equal and having exactly the same things (income, wealth, materials etc.) But that is not the "American Dream".

Immie
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Am I missing something? Or did you just totally avoid answering any of my questions?

;)
 
Care4all said:
Am I missing something? Or did you just totally avoid answering any of my questions?

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I'm saying neither you nor Ornot understand what Businesses are created for. They are not created to provide for your ideals, everyone being equal and happily working like ants (slaves) for the government. They are created to make the owners wealthy. That is capitalism. I understand you want to live in a socialistic country, but most of America does not.

Immie
 
Care4all said:
What is too much, if there is such a thing?

Should a man that sits behind a desk, get paid for ONE HOUR of his work, what their average worker gets paid for one FULL YEAR of work?

Why don't stockholders speak out against this, since it is really taking money from them and their profits....

And how does things like this happen, without SOMEONE thinking that perhaps this is not really the right thing to do, for the corporation on a whole?

I am all for getting a good raise and a good salary and fighting for every penny that I deserve, but when does it reach a point where the person receiving and actually ASKING for this kind of salary think that they really might be asking for too much money? That getting paid in one HOUR what your worker gets paid for working one FULL YEAR?

Is this greed on the CEO's part? what is it that could lead a person to ask for this kind of salary?
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Aren't there more important issues than deciding whether someone makes too much money?
 
Immanuel said:
I'm saying neither you nor Ornot understand what Businesses are created for. They are not created to provide for your ideals, everyone being equal and happily working like ants (slaves) for the government. They are created to make the owners wealthy. That is capitalism. I understand you want to live in a socialistic country, but most of America does not.

Immie
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we already live in a socialistic society...but
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A FASCIST SOCIETY.... :D
 
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -- ABRAHAM LINCOLN
 
unequal distribution of the economy’s spoils could derail the trade liberalization of recent decades. Because recent economic changes “threaten the livelihoods of some workers and the profits of some firms,” Mr. Bernanke said, policy makers must try “to ensure that the benefits of global economic integration are sufficiently widely shared.”
 
Care4all said:
unequal distribution of the economy’s spoils could derail the trade liberalization of recent decades. Because recent economic changes “threaten the livelihoods of some workers and the profits of some firms,” Mr. Bernanke said, policy makers must try “to ensure that the benefits of global economic integration are sufficiently widely shared.”
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

First of all, regardless of what Mr. Bernanke says, we are still a Capitalistic Society.

Second of all, you make it sound as if Capitalists don't care about other people. It seems to me that Capitalists are more giving and caring than anyone else in the world even when compared to you Socialist who want to rob from the "rich" and give to the "poor" until everyone is exactly equal. You being the poor of course. Capitalists make more and give more.

Immie
 
Immanuel said:
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

First of all, regardless of what Mr. Bernanke says, we are still a Capitalistic Society.

Second of all, you make it sound as if Capitalists don't care about other people. It seems to me that Capitalists are more giving and caring than anyone else in the world even when compared to you Socialist who want to rob from the "rich" and give to the "poor" until everyone is exactly equal. You being the poor of course. Capitalists make more and give more.

Immie
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the FIGURES SHOW right now that the rich are robbing from the poorer person.

will i see the same effort made by you to defend the wealthiest among us for those that have less and less because money is being robbed from them?

probaby NOT! Knowing YOU! :( on this subject!

a reminder to all that are Christians, including myself!!!!:readit:

James 2
Favoritism Forbidden
1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?
 
Care4all said:
the FIGURES SHOW right now that the rich are robbing from the poorer person.

will i see the same effort made by you to defend the wealthiest among us for those that have less and less because money is being robbed from them?

probaby NOT! Knowing YOU! :( on this subject!

a reminder to all that are Christians, including myself!!!!:readit:

James 2
Favoritism Forbidden
1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?
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What figures? I'll bet once again you are looking at only one set of figures (tax rates?) and assuming that bullshit that those are the only figures that matter. Ho humm it never changes with socialists. Give me, give me, give me!

Immie
 
Hey Care, maybe you should consider reading that passage. You know favortism? You realize that favortism goes both ways don't you? You play your brand of favortism and condemn others. Typical of you, isn't it?

Immie
 
Immanuel said:
Hey Care, maybe you should consider reading that passage. You know favortism? You realize that favortism goes both ways don't you? You play your brand of favortism and condemn others. Typical of you, isn't it?

Immie
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Just sort of a basic human nature thing Immie.
Glad you are catching on.
 
Immanuel said:
What figures? I'll bet once again you are looking at only one set of figures (tax rates?) and assuming that bullshit that those are the only figures that matter. Ho humm it never changes with socialists. Give me, give me, give me!

Immie
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this thread has nothing to do with taxes? nor does it have anything to do with, give me, give me; give me.... you are doing exactly what you always do, take the side of the wealthiest over those ''give me'' people YOU SPEAK SO LOWLY ABOUT....

Shame on YOU!
 
Care4all said:
this thread has nothing to do with taxes? nor does it have anything to do with, give me, give me; give me.... you are doing exactly what you always do, take the side of the wealthiest over those ''give me'' people YOU SPEAK SO LOWLY ABOUT....

Shame on YOU!
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You are the one that plays favorites. Shame on you!

So produce these so called numbers you speak of.

Immie
 
Just out of curiosity, Care, did you look down upon your employers at that well known shoe company (not the "Just Do It" company, the other well known one) the way you do Wal-mart? Or were they okay because, well, you as a capitalist were employed by them?

Immie
 
Immanuel said:
You are the one that plays favorites. Shame on you!

So produce these so called numbers you speak of.

Immie
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here's a small article about it but the times has a bigger one, covering more...

Report: Most not seeing real wage gains
Expansion could be first since WWII when wages don't outpace prices for most workers.
August 28 2006: 8:12 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most workers have not seen wage gains keep pace with inflation during the current economic expansion, the first time that has happened since World War II, according to a published report.

The New York Times reports that the median hourly wage for American workers has declined 2 percent since 2003, after factoring in inflation. Median wages are the point at which equal numbers of workers earn more and less.

The paper reports that while average family income, adjusted for inflation, has continued to advance at a good clip, that has been helped by gains by the top wage earners.

The paper says that about nine out of 10 workers have seen inflation that has outpaced their pay increases over the last three years, according to the Labor Department. That includes workers earning up to $80,000 a year, a level that puts them in the 90th percentile of wage earners.

The paper reports that with employment gains softening in recent months, inflationary pressures stay high due to factors such as high energy prices, so the gap between wages and prices could increase for many workers.

The paper reports that the gap between the top wage earners and other workers is growing. It cites research from economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty that showed that in 2004, the top 1 percent of earners --a group that includes many chief executives --received 11.2 percent of all wage income, up from 8.7 percent a decade earlier and less than 6 percent three decades ago.

In addition, corporate profits are growing more quickly than wages and salaries. Employee pay now makes up the lowest share of the nation's gross domestic product since the government began recording the data in 1947, according to the paper, while corporate profits have climbed to their highest share since the 1960s.
 
All that says is that costs are going up faster than wages. How does this apply to the rich robbing the poor? This would mean that the costs of doing business would also increase.

You didn't answer my question. Did you look down upon your employers the way you do other people's employers?

Immie
 
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