What Taxing the Rich Could Yield

Frank Apisa said:
All I did was talk about statistics...the kind published and disseminated.

I understand for the rightwing of America...those kinds of things don't matter. They want gut feelings instead.


I HAD a serious disease, Getin.

CANCER.

I went to the VA...because that was where I was getting my healthcare.

They did a good job. Back when it happened...in 1996...they spoke in terms of 5 years survival.

This is 23 years later.

But the statistics I cited are accurate.

We spend MUCH more per capita on healthcare than any other country...

...and we rank nowhere near the top in results.
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Too bad your cancer didn’t kill you. I seriously hope it comes back like Ginsbergs did

And you lied to me before. You are a taker. We paid for your healthcare. You should be thanking me
 
I Love America said:
Too bad your cancer didn’t kill you. I seriously hope it comes back like Ginsbergs did

And you lied to me before. You are a taker. We paid for your healthcare. You should be thanking me
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Thanks for the $3,500 you paid in federal income taxes last year.
 
I Love America said:
Too bad your cancer didn’t kill you. I seriously hope it comes back like Ginsbergs did
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You are a disgusting creature, IHA. Not sure how you look in the mirror when that is necessary...but what you are looking at when you do...is a pathetic, little person who appears to be filled with self-loathing.

And you lied to me before. You are a taker. We paid for your healthcare. You should be thanking me
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I did not lie to you...I don't have enough respect for you to lie to you.

I earned that VA benefit. EARNED IT.

As did every veteran who uses the VA.
 
Frank Apisa said:
You are a disgusting creature, IHA. Not sure how you look in the mirror when that is necessary...but what you are looking at when you do...is a pathetic, little person who appears to be filled with self-loathing.



I did not lie to you...I don't have enough respect for you to lie to you.

I earned that VA benefit. EARNED IT.

As did every veteran who uses the VA.
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I doubt you "earned" it. That is what all TAKERS tell themselves. Just like the "I paid into the system" crap. Bottom line is you aren't paying for the services you receive. That makes you a TAKER. You are no different than a welfare queen. You can justify it anyway you choose Frankie. It is what it is.

As far as me wishing your cancer comes back? It isn't personal Frankie. Just politics. I like you. And when I look in the mirror, I love what I see.
 
I Love America said:
I doubt you "earned" it. That is what all TAKERS tell themselves. Just like the "I paid into the system" crap. Bottom line is you aren't paying for the services you receive. That makes you a TAKER. You are no different than a welfare queen. You can justify it anyway you choose Frankie. It is what it is.
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Yeah, someone like you would gladly take away benefits from men and women who earned them by serving in the military. What do you care about them! Your only concern is for yourself.

My fellow vets and I EARNED the benefits we get. Any of us who use the VA EARNED the right to that. You wouldn't understand. You've never served yourself...you simply TAKE and enjoy the freedom we helped to protect.

If people like you want to pretend we did not earn it...we just have to laugh at you.

You are a joke...so that is an easy thing to do.

As far as me wishing your cancer comes back? It isn't personal Frankie. Just politics. I like you. And when I look in the mirror, I love what I see.
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You are as much a liar as that abomination you support, IHA. The reason you wish my cancer would come back...and the reason you wish so many others get AIDS and die...the reason you wish painful deaths on so many...

...is because you have serious mental problems.

I hope you get the mental health help you need...and that at some point, you start to enjoy life...rather than hating the way you do.

This is not a dress rehearsal, IHA. This is it. Try to enjoy it.

For the record, I doubt you look in a mirror and like what you see. If I am wrong and you do, though, it is an extension of your illness. Anyone with any pride in what you regularly do and say...is a VERY SICK PERSON.

You ought to work on that.
 
Flash said:
No, you have confused them. The top marginal tax rate has been cut from very high (70-90%) to about 39%. However, the amount people actually pay (effective rate) has not changed that much. Nobody actually paid 70-90% because there were many more deductions.
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You're being dishonest and counting all income sources as the same, even though all income sources aren't taxed the same.

You're deliberately withholding other sourced income to make a false argument.

What a fraud.
 
Flash said:
I use virtually because otherwise you will deflect from the real facts by claiming I meant 100% had their taxes lowered and talk about goalposts and bad fait
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But that is precisely what you claimed!

Now you're moving the goalposts to saying that isn't what you meant, even though it's what you said.

This is what I mean when I say you're moving the goalposts.

You keep harping about how the bottom 40% pay "little or no taxes", without acknowledging that is because of the tax cuts you supported.

So it would seem you are deliberately manufacturing a crisis to complain about. Which is nothing more than mental masturbation.
 
Flash said:
Of course it is inequitable--the top 40% pays 106% of all federal income taxes.
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And why is that?

Because of your tax cuts.

So how is your belief system not the cause of the thing you are complaining about now?

"We have to cut taxes; now 47% pay no taxes; so our solution to that is to...cut taxes."

^That's you.


And I didn't support the tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts---but you either don't read or have a really bad memory.
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A nonsensical position, of course, because you never specify what spending cuts you want, and you're too lazy to think of them, so you retreat to a very generalized statement or random and arbitrary across-the-board percentage cuts that take nothing into account.

You're just too lazy to be relied upon.
 
Flash said:
You always lose track of the discussion and go into trivial stuff knowing that nobody means literally "all" or "everyone.
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If you didn't mean it, why did you say it?

Your exact words were: "liberals believe anyone who is wealthy cheated".

Anyone = all

So you went to a hyperbolic extreme to troll and bait people into accommodating your bad faith argument.

Not every rich person cheated, but many did and many continue to do so.

How that translates to "all" is just Conservative rhetoric latching onto a hyperbole to cast the wealthy as victims.

What a load of horseshit. Who buys this crap?


Or, did you mean "all" when you said "the same, fat, stupid, uneducated Drumpf voters are the same fat, stupid, uneducated people drinking themselves to death out of despair."
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Many Trump voters are fat, stupid, uneducated white trash.

You chose Trump and doing so was the worst judgment you've made in your entire adult life.

You'll never live it down.
 
Kacper said:
He is your dear leader too; revenue is not the problem. Our society spends too much money of things that offer low to no returns on investment. You act like this a peculiar American problem. It is not. Places like Germany are just as bad if not worse.
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We didn't have a spending problem 20 years ago when we had budget surpluses.

Then Conservatives cut taxes, then the budget surpluses vanished and were replaced by record deficits.

So now you're trying to tell us that after you cut taxes, which erased the surpluses and produced record deficits, that spending is the problem.
 
spending has always been the problem, always will be..

You could take all of the 1% ers money, every penny and it wouldn't put a dent in anything

That's an old tired Democrat talking point, "tax the rich, tax the rich" whaaaaaaa
 
Getin the ring said:
spending has always been the problem, always will be..
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It wasn't the problem 20 years ago when we had budget surpluses.

Then you cut revenue, which erased the surpluses and created deficits.

Now you're trying to say the spending created the deficits when it was the revenue cuts that erased the surplus.

You're a slow kid trying to pull a fast one.
 
Getin the ring said:
You could take all of the 1% ers money, every penny and it wouldn't put a dent in anything
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No one is proposing this, so it's not clear why you are constructing this straw man.

And by "put a dent in anything", what are you referring to? The deficit? Raising taxes on the wealthy would most definitely reduce the deficit, as it did throughout the 90's and then again in 2013 when Obama let the Bush Tax Cuts expire for the wealthy.


hat's an old tired Democrat talking point, "tax the rich, tax the rich" whaaaaaaa
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You all promised that if we cut taxes for the rich, it would "trickle down".

Nothing "trickled down".

So it's time for you to abandon that failed dogma.
 
LV426 said:
No one is proposing this, so it's not clear why you are constructing this straw man.

And by "put a dent in anything", what are you referring to? The deficit? Raising taxes on the wealthy would most definitely reduce the deficit, as it did throughout the 90's and then again in 2013 when Obama let the Bush Tax Cuts expire for the wealthy.




You all promised that if we cut taxes for the rich, it would "trickle down".

Nothing "trickled down".

So it's time for you to abandon that failed dogma.
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this ^^^^ would all mean something if you had some facts to back any of it up

you don't count, you don't know that do you
 
Irish said:
Maybe if we focused on closing loopholes, rather than just raisin da taxes.
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Most of the loopholes were created by the tax cutting policies of Conservatives.

So maybe the solution to closing loopholes is to remove Conservatives from the taxation conversation.
 
Irish said:
Maybe if we focused on closing loopholes, rather than just raisin da taxes.
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maybe you have no fucking idea of what you are talking about


Its what happens when you have a party that wants to do economics WITHOUT using math
 
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