What would the ideal leftist America look like?

[LV426]

That's not what LV426 is doing however. His, her, its, position is that having a degree and / or certification alone confers superior knowledge and ability.

No, that is you constructing a straw man because my argument that only teachers should teach is one you cannot seem to debate.

That's why you came up with your fallacy excuse...you realize that the idea that any dumbass can get up in front of a classroom and teach kids is a stupid idea and you were stupid for even suggesting it.

Are you a teacher? No.

Have you ever been a teacher? No.

Will you ever be a teacher? No.

So how about instead of you telling them how to do their job, they tell you how to do yours?

 

[LV426]

The logical fallacy Appeal to authority applies when someone demands you believe them on the basis of their supposed qualification(s) such as having a degree while offering nothing in terms of factual rebuttal.

I have not once submitted my personal qualifications or history here because I don't need to.

Unlike you, I don't need to convince people that I'm smarter than I actually am because you're so insecure.

I don't need to invent given circumstances I'll never verify.

I don't need to insist upon myself in absence of empirical evidence and facts.

I know my own limitations.

You don't have any of that...you need people to believe in the myth you created about yourself because if they don't buy into it, suddenly everything you're saying makes no sense.

If you aren't certified or trained in how to teach kids, then you have nothing to contribute to that discussion.

So shut the fuck up.

 

[LV426]

So, when LV426 says something like Shut up! You don't have a degree in education so you're unqualified to speak about education... it amounts to nothing but an irrelevant appeal to authority.

I didn't say you were unqualified to speak generally, vaguely, and ambiguously about education like you have, just that you were unqualified to educate anyone and unqualified to determine how the professionals do it.

You have entitlement that you've done nothing to earn.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The conservative disrespect of education and professional educators is not something that they keep secret.

They're the anti-intellectual faction, and rather than trying to hide it, they revel in it.

They go so far as to call literate people "snobbish elites."

There is no discussion to be had with them on the subject as they have no interest in a well-educated nation.

It would defeat their purpose.

 

[LV426]

The conservative disrespect of education and professional educators is not something that they keep secret.

They're the anti-intellectual faction, and rather than trying to hide it, they revel in it.

They go so far as to call literate people "snobbish elites."

There is no discussion to be had with them on the subject as they have no interest in a well-educated nation.

It would defeat their purpose.

People who say that teachers can't teach are the same people those teachers failed when they were kids.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

People who say that teachers can't teach are the same people those teachers failed when they were kids.

Maybe, but I don't think anybody can do much with kids whose parents don't revere knowledge and education.

If you let assholes procreate under the name of freedom,
the supply of assholes in the population is close to infinite.

 

[LV426]

Maybe, but I don't think anybody can do much with kids whose parents don't revere knowledge and education.
If you let assholes procreate under the name of freedom,
the supply of assholes in the population is close to infinite.

Home schooling kids is child abuse...it's the parent saying that they want the control to manipulate their kids as they see fit.

99.9% of all parents are fucking morons.

 

[QP!]

That's not what LV426 is doing however. His, her, its, position is that having a degree and / or certification alone confers superior knowledge and ability. There are plenty of people who have degrees and don't know their ass from their elbow.

The logical fallacy Appeal to authority applies when someone demands you believe them on the basis of their supposed qualification(s) such as having a degree while offering nothing in terms of factual rebuttal.

Jill Biden does this with her insistence on being called "Dr. Jill" because she was given a PhD that by her dissertation, she doesn't deserve or qualify for.

So, when LV426 says something like Shut up! You don't have a degree in education so you're unqualified to speak about education... it amounts to nothing but an irrelevant appeal to authority.

I understand what an 'Appeal to Authority' fallacy but you clearly do not.

You are doing the opposite fallacy and saying that because they have a degree, they should not be trusted or can be right. You are saying 'because some people with degrees are dumb and cannot be trusted then all people with degrees can be hand waved away', which leads someone as dumb as Marjorie Greene to get in the face of top generals and analysts, and them they are wrong and she knows better where and when the balloon should be shot down.


If you want to use the Appeal to Authority PROPERLY, then you MUST be able to demonstrate that a person is pushing forth their CV credentials as a way to make their argument. What that means is she would be saying something like 'I am a Doctor and thus you need to accept what I say'.

Instead the argument you are pushing is that if anyone has a Doctorate, offers any argument, then to accept what they say is just an Appeal to Authority fallacy and that is just dumb.

No Engineer designing airplane safety measures should say 'my work is the best BECAUSE i am a trained engineer, and thus you need to accept it'. That would be appealing to their authority when what they need to do is SHOW their work. Them having the degree does not exclude them from participating in any work or discussions as you would suggest, calling it an appeal to Authority fallacy.

 

[LV426]

If you want to use the Appeal to Authority PROPERLY, then you MUST be able to demonstrate that a person is pushing forth their CV credentials as a way to make their argument. What that means is she would be saying something like 'I am a Doctor and thus you need to accept what I say'.

Variants of this are...

"I am a veteran."

"I am a business owner."

"I am married to an (insert minority here)."

"I am a teacher."

"I am educated."

These are all things Conservatives have said about themselves on JPP in the context of lending credibility to arguments that otherwise have none.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Variants of this are...

"I am a veteran."

"I am a business owner."

"I am married to an (insert minority here)."

"I am a teacher."

"I am educated."

These are all things Conservatives have said about themselves on JPP in the context of lending credibility to arguments that otherwise have none.

Paraphrasing you several times now...

Teachers have degrees, training, and certification in education, you don't so shut up...

 

[LV426]

Paraphrasing you several times now...

How about instead of paraphrasing me, you quote me accurately like I do for you?

 

[LV426]

Teachers have degrees, training, and certification in education, you don't so shut up...

Exactly.

Teachers don't come down to where you work and slap the dick out of your mouth, do they?

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is exactly what its purpose was, and you would know that if you weren't the stupidest fucking person on this thread.

That's why every single vote in the House and Senate until 1837 was done along majority lines.

ROFL

Quite the opposite, shit fer brains.

We have an amendment process for changing the Constitution, replete with checks and balances; an important facet of the work of our founding fathers. Of course these are ideals unknown to an illiterate clown like you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No dumb people.

So, you'd commit suicide then?

Would your dream society be closer to the Khmer Rouge or North Korea?

 

[QP!]

Paraphrasing you several times now...

Teachers have degrees, training, and certification in education, you don't so shut up...

it is NOT an Appeal to Authority fallacy to acknowledge that Astrophysicists all agree on the following analysis on this meteor moving through space NOT being a threat to our Planet.

It is important to know they are professional astrophysicists and they have done the work.

What you guys, in the same way Marjorie Greene does, is scream "Appeal to Authority' thus my view, after reading on the internet it is going to hit us, is equally as valid. You then presume to lecture them and tell them they are wrong.

NO. That is just dumb.


If it was a singular astrophysicist and he said, WITHOUT doing any work, my opinion is the one to trust simply because I am an astrophysicist, THAT is an appeal to his authority. He would be asserting his 'credentials as the proof', which then triggers the fallacy.


I see over and over on this forum right leaning posters quoting various fallacies in very much the way someone like Marjorie Greene would, wrongly and ignorantly but assuming they are right. You guys need to understand the fallacies you cite or stop using them.

Educators as a whole, are the best ones to determine educational needs, and that is not a Appeal to Authority to say that, just as it is not to say Astrophysicists are best to determine space bound threats to earth. Individuals or parents views are a massive distance behind in credibility and weighting on these topics.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We didn't vote for the Republicans and Conservatives, you did you fucking asshole.

We've already established that you're dumb as dogshit - but far less pleasant to be around.

When we look at the Oligarchs who rule this nation - Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Nazi fuck George Soros, Warren Buffet, Jack Dorsey, Sergie Brin, Tim Cook, et al. - something stands out; they are all radical left socialists.

If you had the capacity for thought - it might dawn on you that the Oligarchs pushing socialism and the democrat war to end the Constitutional Republic isn't to "punish the rich."

BUT as we have already established, you're dumb as dogshit.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

it is NOT an Appeal to Authority fallacy to acknowledge that Astrophysicists all agree on the following analysis on this meteor moving through space NOT being a threat to our Planet.

It is important to know they are professional astrophysicists and they have done the work.

What you guys, in the same way Marjorie Greene does, is scream "Appeal to Authority' thus my view, after reading on the internet it is going to hit us, is equally as valid. You then presume to lecture them and tell them they are wrong.

NO. That is just dumb.


If it was a singular astrophysicist and he said, WITHOUT doing any work, my opinion is the one to trust simply because I am an astrophysicist, THAT is an appeal to his authority. He would be asserting his 'credentials as the proof', which then triggers the fallacy.


I see over and over on this forum right leaning posters quoting various fallacies in very much the way someone like Marjorie Greene would, wrongly and ignorantly but assuming they are right. You guys need to understand the fallacies you cite or stop using them.

Educators as a whole, are the best ones to determine educational needs, and that is not a Appeal to Authority to say that, just as it is not to say Astrophysicists are best to determine space bound threats to earth. Individuals or parents views are a massive distance behind in credibility and weighting on these topics.

False analogy.

The course of the meteorite is measurable and known. What teachers know, or don't know about something, or even teaching, isn't empirically measurable. What LV 426 stated--repeatedly--was that anyone without professional degrees, training, and certification in education was unqualified to even foist an opinion, let alone actually make factual comments on education. Educators may be better at determining the needs of students, but they may not be too. I would hold up Common Core as an example of not being the best to determine education needs.

So, there's a much greater range of diversity on what makes a good education, than there is on the course of an asteroid. It is an appeal to authority to keep trying to tell us that only the opinion of educators matters and the rest of us should shut up and listen, as LV426 keeps trying to tell us.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Right, but does that same process apply to regular, conventional legislation? No. That's originally all majority votes, which is the point you're trying to not make but are making anyway.

Remember, you started off this by arguing that there are somehow minority protections in the Constitution despite not being able to produce a single example of it.

Then you tried to rig Impeachment and Amendment to distract from the clearly majority vote that applied to every other vote in Congress until 1837.

You are what's known colloquially as "a stupid fuck."

You were programmed by one of the hate sites to vomit out idiocy about "majority vote" in congress. Being that you are abysmally stupid - you STILL fail to grasp that the House remains a purely majority. Beyond this, despite my shoving your uneducated face into the fact that the Constitution explicitly calling for two-thirds majority for some actions by the Senate, you continue to ignorantly lie that the Senate was based on a majority vote "until 1837."

You should stop using words you don't know the meaning of...like assumption, supposition, and fascism.

And here were are again, DESPITE my posting Webster's, despite my graphing it out for your ignorant, lying ass.

Your level of integrity is equal to your intellect - that is non-existent.

You should stick to words with one or two syllables.

So, you're a lying cunt, and dumb as doorknob. You are the quintessential democrat.

 

[Uncensored2008]

My questions only seem to be irrelevant when you don't have an answer for them.

Your questions are irrelevant because you're a lying cunt.

Your utter and complete lack of integrity and honor, make any rational discussion with you impossible. Sadly, you're too stupid to be embarrassed by your exposure.

 

[QP!]

False analogy.

The course of the meteorite is measurable and known. What teachers know, or don't know about something, or even teaching, isn't empirically measurable. ....

Again you are just demonstrating your deep lack of understanding of this topic. I am embarrassed for you.


There are all sorts of theoretical sciences and areas (eg Quantum Physics) where we absolutely should take the words of the experts over that of Marjorie Greene or you, and that is not simply an Appeal to Authority fallacy. It is also often the case that the path of a meteor cannot be precisely measured and the 'experts' are relying on their training and expertise to predict its path but could be wrong.

So it would be an Appeal to Authority if any of the above said 'I am an 'astrophysicist or a theoretical scientist and thus what i am saying is true', and the sum total of their work was 'citing their CV', ...but it not an appeal to Authority if someone speaking based on their expertise offers their view, based off of their experiences and training and work in the field.

Educators as a group are the best body to speak to educational needs and curriculum, and not parents or Marjorie Greene or you. It is not an Appeal to Authority to say that.