When the Constitution was trashed and how we may never recover.

[AProudLefty]

What was usurped?

I said wannabe usurpers.

 

[Flash]

I guess my point is that it has to do with life. Without the stop signs, lives will be deprived.

I guess I was having a brain fart moment. LOL.

However, we do have the right to life and to be protected from others who are indifferent to it.

It says the state shall not deprive you of life without due process (trial, jury, etc.)

There is no way the state can guarantee your right to life by protecting you from others--anyone can injure you at any time. The only thing the state can do is punish them afterwards. Your right to life is only protected against government action.

 

[AProudLefty]

It says the state shall not deprive you of life without due process (trial, jury, etc.)

There is no way the state can guarantee your right to life by protecting you from others--anyone can injure you at any time. The only thing the state can do is punish them afterwards. Your right to life is only protected against government action.

True but it can minimize the dangers.

 

[Flash]

True but it can minimize the dangers.

Sure, but we really can't call it a "right" as compared to other rights guaranteed against government restrictions.

Your first quote is from the Declaration of Independence, but that document is nothing legally binding today.

 

[AProudLefty]

Your first quote is from the Declaration of Independence, but that document is nothing legally binding today.

Yes I know. Common mistake.

 

[Into the Night]

What is an arm? We all have two.

'Arm' also means a weapon. A 'firearm' is a weapon that uses fire...a gun. Other types of firearms exist, such as rockets, conflagurating explosives (such as black powder), flame throwers (not a practical weapon, it turns out, despite how spectacular the things look), grenades, bazookas, and incendiaries.

 

[Into the Night]

I said wannabe usurpers.

What was usurped?

 

[AProudLefty]

What was usurped?

I said wannabe usurpers.

 

[gfm7175]

There is no such thing as an 'assault weapon'.

The military would stand no chance against a united citizenry.

True. The military is too busy with wokeism atm. A united citizenry, which would include "unclean" "heathen" unvaxxed now-former military members, would overwhelm the woke military.

 

[Into the Night]

Sure, but we really can't call it a "right" as compared to other rights guaranteed against government restrictions.

Your first quote is from the Declaration of Independence, but that document is nothing legally binding today.

Rights have nothing to do with government restrictions.

 

[BidenPresident]

'Arm' also means a weapon. A 'firearm' is a weapon that uses fire...a gun. Other types of firearms exist, such as rockets, conflagurating explosives (such as black powder), flame throwers (not a practical weapon, it turns out, despite how spectacular the things look), grenades, bazookas, and incendiaries.

Yet none of that is in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Into the Night]

I said wannabe usurpers.

What was attempting to be usurped?

 

[Hawkeye10]

You're becoming quite a nutbag these days. You used to make sense if my memory serves me right.

I say what I see, and I have an excellent life long record of being right.

You might want to listen.

 

[AProudLefty]

What was attempting to be usurped?

Election certification.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet none of that is in the 2nd Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The word 'Arms' is in the 2nd amendment dumbass. It means weapon in this context.

 

[Into the Night]

Election certification.

Nope. No such attempt was being made. Congress has no authority to certify any election (other than electing a Speaker of the House).

 

[BidenPresident]

The word 'Arms' is in the 2nd amendment dumbass. It means weapon in this context.

It means arms.

 

[AProudLefty]

Nope. No such attempt was being made.

Ok. What was their attempt?

 

[Flash]

Yet none of that is in the 2nd Amendment.

As a practical matter, it doesn't really matter what the 2nd intended. State and federal gun control laws are not going to be too restrictive or too liberal for most Americans. None are going to allow fully automatic weapons or grenades and none are going to prohibit common pistols or rifles.

Almost any gun control group can accomplish what it wants under current interpretations--it is a political rather than legal issue. Some states already have waiting periods, background checks, restrict or prohibit assault weapons.

 

[BidenPresident]

As a practical matter, it doesn't really matter what the 2nd intended

People in regulated militias should be allowed to have arms, by the technology of the 18 C. Seems obvious what it means.