When the Constitution was trashed and how we may never recover.

[SmarterthanYou]

The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.

considering that the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment to keep government from becoming tyrannical, so that the people would always be more powerful, HOW is it irrelevant to today?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I made my position clear. The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "

the framers were very clear on the individual rights concept. why do you ignore that?

 

[Truth Detector]

Reviewing the budgets of these Unconstitutional Departments created to override States authority and rights, the total amounts to a whopping $2.180 TRILLION dollars that could be saved by eliminating them and allowing states to run their own departments.

After all, these have only been created by power hungry politicians who empower themselves through tax laws and legislative oversight.

The Department of Education - Budget $103 billion

The Department of Housing and Urban Development - Budget $68.7 billion

The Department of Energy - Budget $46.2 billion

The Department of Health and Human Services - Budget a whopping $1.662 trillion

The Department of Labor - Budget $14.2 billion

The Department of Transportation - Budget $88 billion

The Department of Agriculture - Budget $198 billion.

 

[Into the Night]

yes, there is such a thing as an assault weapon, stupid fuck. and i cannot believe how fucking stupid you are. if the military went full on neanderthal, did not care about collateral damage, any uprising, any armed revolt, would be squashed like a bug on a windshield of a car doing 100 mph...are you nuts?

There is no such thing as an 'assault weapon'.

The military would stand no chance against a united citizenry.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet none of that is in the 2nd Amendment.

It doesn't have to be. You still do not know what a constitution is or what it does.

 

[Into the Night]

As a practical matter, it doesn't really matter what the 2nd intended. State and federal gun control laws are not going to be too restrictive or too liberal for most Americans. None are going to allow fully automatic weapons or grenades and none are going to prohibit common pistols or rifles.

Almost any gun control group can accomplish what it wants under current interpretations--it is a political rather than legal issue. Some states already have waiting periods, background checks, restrict or prohibit assault weapons.

You cannot nullify the Constitution by declaring it 'impractical'. It is unconstitutional to ban any weapon.
You can buy automatic weapons (machine guns). You can own grenades. The SOTC, which no longer is a State, does try to prohibit and limit many common guns and their accessories.

There is no such thing as an 'assault weapon'.

 

[Into the Night]

People in regulated militias should be allowed to have arms, by the technology of the 18 C. Seems obvious what it means.

Still have no clue, do ya? The right to self defense is inherent.

 

[BidenPresident]

It doesn't have to be. You still do not know what a constitution is or what it does.

fuck you

 

[Into the Night]

Even if true,

It is not.

that does not mean people are limited to those weapons.

There are no limits on weapons.

The Constitution limits what government can do, it does not dictate it.

It DOES dictate it. The Constitution dictates what a government is authorized to do. It can also dictate specifically what a government cannot do. If no mention is made, the government HAS NO AUTHORITY.

Congress and the state legislatures determine what gun regulations they want.

It is unconstitutional to ban or limit any weapon.

Nothing prevents them from allowing fully automatic weapons or grenades. Until 2010 states could prohibit firearm ownership.

Unconstitutional.

 

[BidenPresident]

the framers were very clear on the individual rights concept. why do you ignore that?

where does 2nd Amend. state that?

 

[Into the Night]

The 2nd Amendment is totally irrelevant to modern times.

The 2nd amendment is still in the Constitution today. It is relevant today. You cannot nullify any part of the Constitution simply due to age.

 

[Into the Night]

But it does guarantee a degree of freedom from those who would try to place too severe restrictions on ownership. Federal and state legislatures can make any updates to modern times.

Unconstitutional.

Does free press limit the press to printing methods available only during colonial times?

No.

Does search and seizure protect us from methods only available during colonial times and not protect us from modern electronic surveillance techniques?

Irrelevant. Cameras do not search or seize anything.

If we are going to interpret the 2nd amendment based on its meaning in 1789 does that also apply to other rights?

Rights do not come from the Constitution or any other piece of paper.

 

[Into the Night]

Guns kill. Newspapers do not.

Both can kill. Both have.

I do not believe the 2nd Amendment should be in the Constitution.

Too bad. It's in the Constitution. You can try to start a movement to amend the Constitution, but I doubt you'll have much success.
You hoplophobia is YOUR problem. You don't get to use it to nullify any part of the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Removing the 2nd does not change federal or state laws. Gun laws would remain essentially the same.

Is the 2nd the only amendment you would interpret based on the 1787 meaning?

Yes it does. The 2nd amendment applies to both federal and State governments.

 

[Flash]

I gave you the legislation you dumb fuck. Run along.

I know the legislation. Where does Congress get the constitutional power to pass legislation about immigration control? I know Congress has the legislative power, but they need constitutional authority. You shouldn't be calling anybody dumb when you don't know how government works.

 

[Into the Night]

I made my position clear. The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "

No court has any authority over the Constitution.

 

[Flash]

where did you get that ridiculous notion?

It is not a notion. The Declaration has never been used as the authority for any government action under our current Constitution. You are confusing your sources of authority.

 

[Into the Night]

No, you said "The Supreme Court wrongly believes its meaning is, "Anyone can own as many weapons of any kind they want. "


There are many limitations that prevent people from owning as many weapons of any kind they want. If they Supreme Court had actually ruled that those laws would have been struck down.

Such limitations are unconstitutional, whether the Supreme Court says so or not.

 

[Into the Night]

I believe the 2nd Amendment is very bad law and should not be in the Constitution.

It's in the Constitution. Deal with it.

 

[Into the Night]

I really don't care.

Because you discard the Constitution.