Why homosexuality should be banned

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Unlike liberals, only concerned for themselves, I am concerned with society as a whole. Gay marriage denigrates traditional marriage, which denigrates children.

Don't you care about your State's children?

You are not concerned about anything but maintaining your bible belt mentality.


You still have not offered any reasonable reason why gay marriage would change straight people marriage.

As for teh children, there have been multiple studies that showed no difference between children raised by gay couples and children raised by straight couples. Your "don't you care about your state's children" is an example of Argumentum ad misericordiam.
 
The fact that there are other factors denigrating marriage doesn't make the Dutch study flawed. Why don't you wait to see what happens in Massachusetts before insisting that gays get married in your State?

It does make your premise flawed however as the cause cannot be determined to be same sex marriages.
 
You're commenting on the summary only. The study presents a case of cause and effect.

I was wondering when you'd repeat your quotations of logical fallacies and try to use them in debate, like you used to do as Solitary, now as Winterborn. :good4u:

I have been quoting them since you started quoting them in your debates. You insist that using logical fallacies invalidates your opponents argument, and then you commit the same logical fallacies.

I can see why it would upset you to have them used against you.
 
You're commenting on the summary only. The study presents a case of cause and effect.

From the study:

"The question is, of course, what are the root causes of this decay of marriage in our country. In light of the intense debate elsewhere about the pros and cons of legalizing same-sex marriage it must be observed that there is as yet no definitive scientific evidence to suggest that the long campaign for the legalization of same-sex marriage contributed to these harmful trends."

I read the entire article you provided a link to, and the links for the "studies" in the Netherlands. There is not one iota of evidence to show that allowing gay marriage caused anything. The only evidence they have is that they happened during the same 20 year time frame.
 
From: http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpconclusion.html

In the Conclusion:

"In summary, there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth."
 
Half of ALL marriages in the US end in divorce, over 60% of all subsequent marriages end in divorce. 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy).

People in the US are waiting longer to get married. All this has happened WITHOUT gay marriage. Breeders in the US have done all the damage to the institution of marriage that can be done.
 
I didn't realize you were so unaware of the things you've typed.
I'll start with the one, to begin with.
The right to marry who they wish.

they can have a relationship with whoever they wish.....they can only "marry" someone of the opposite sex, because that's what marriage is......
 
Half of ALL marriages in the US end in divorce, over 60% of all subsequent marriages end in divorce. 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy).

People in the US are waiting longer to get married. All this has happened WITHOUT gay marriage. Breeders in the US have done all the damage to the institution of marriage that can be done.
Well I don't know about the breeders comment. You're stats do remind me of stat a concerned friend showed me when she found out I was engaged to a Filipino. The stat was that 25% of Filipino/American marriages end in divorce. The funny part was she had no clue that the national divorce rate was around 50% so that these were actually better odds of marital success then the national average. lol
 
That definition will change. The question is whether it changes sooner or later.

why should it.....if I choose to consider "breakfast" to be a meal eaten in the afternoon, can I persuade society to change the meaning of "breakfast"?.......

if I decide that "school" should mean deer hunting, may I require society to permit me to take my children deer hunting every day instead of sending them to school?......
 
why should it.....if I choose to consider "breakfast" to be a meal eaten in the afternoon, can I persuade society to change the meaning of "breakfast"?.......

if I decide that "school" should mean deer hunting, may I require society to permit me to take my children deer hunting every day instead of sending them to school?......
When I go to Cracker Barrel or Village Inn I have breakfast. I don't care what time of the day it is. If you ask a waiter at either of those establishments if they serve breakfast around the clock they will tell you yes. Ergo, breakfast is when you eat it.
 
From: http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpconclusion.html

In the Conclusion:

"In summary, there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth."

Digging a little deeper, we see the truth.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/netherlandsstatement.cfm

The question is, of course, what are the root causes of this decay of marriage in our country. In light of the intense debate elsewhere about the pros and cons of legalizing same-sex marriage it must be observed that there is as yet no definitive scientific evidence to suggest that the long campaign for the legalization of same-sex marriage contributed to these harmful trends. However, there are good reasons to believe that the decline in Dutch marriage may be connected to the successful public campaign for the opening of marriage to same-sex couples in the Netherlands. After all, supporters of same-sex marriage argued forcefully in favor of the (legal and social) separation of marriage from parenting. In parliament, advocates and opponents alike agreed that same-sex marriage would pave the way to greater acceptance of alternative forms of cohabitation.

In our judgment, it is difficult to imagine that a lengthy, highly visible, and ultimately successful campaign to persuade Dutch citizens that marriage is not connected to parenthood and that marriage and cohabitation are equally valid ‘lifestyle choices’ has not had serious social consequences. There are undoubtedly other factors that have contributed to the decline of the institution of marriage in our country. Further scientific research is needed to establish the relative importance of all these factors. At the same time, we wish to note that enough evidence of marital decline already exists to raise serious concerns about the wisdom of the efforts to deconstruct marriage in its traditional form.

Of more immediate importance than the debate about causality is the question what we in our country can do in order to reverse this harmful development. We call upon politicians, academics, and opinion leaders to acknowledge the facts that marriage in the Netherlands is now an endangered institution and that the many children born out of wedlock are likely to suffer the consequences of that development. A national debate about how we might strengthen marriage is now clearly in order.

So let's see what happens in Massachusetts, unless, of course, you want to experiment in Alabama as well.
 
if it is subjective, why does the law need to be changed to permit two men to marry.....obviously "marriage" currently means the state recognized social contract between a man and a woman and nothing else.....

Because the law is obstructive towards other peoples choices that affect no one but consenting adults. I have long said that government should sanction no marriage and let that remain with the church.
 
Half of ALL marriages in the US end in divorce, over 60% of all subsequent marriages end in divorce. 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy).

People in the US are waiting longer to get married. All this has happened WITHOUT gay marriage. Breeders in the US have done all the damage to the institution of marriage that can be done.

Actually, liberal culture has denigrated marriage, not "breeders" as you assert. Perhaps it is time to roll back liberal social policy instead of diving deeper into it.
 
Well I don't know about the breeders comment. You're stats do remind me of stat a concerned friend showed me when she found out I was engaged to a Filipino. The stat was that 25% of Filipino/American marriages end in divorce. The funny part was she had no clue that the national divorce rate was around 50% so that these were actually better odds of marital success then the national average. lol
Actually it is equal to the national average of first marriages, the stats are skewed by the multi-marriages. Each divorce increases your odds that your next marriage will end in divorce.

First marriages end in divorce about 25% of the time. She was basically saying that their marriages are pretty much exactly like all marriages in the US.
 
When I go to Cracker Barrel or Village Inn I have breakfast. I don't care what time of the day it is. If you ask a waiter at either of those establishments if they serve breakfast around the clock they will tell you yes. Ergo, breakfast is when you eat it.

and that is "subjectivity"....if they choose to acknowledge either that you can eat breakfast type food whenever you want (have sex with whoever you want) or that you call your meal "breakfast" (consider your relationship with someone of the same sex to be a life long commitment), that is your and their choice.....but to pass a law that meals eaten at anytime of the day will be considered "breakfast" takes it out of the subjective realm and imposes it upon everyone else who has not made that choice (requiring all of society to consider that choice to be "marriage")......
 
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