Why It Is So Important To Be Nice And Cordial In Your Posting

evince said:
It was actually the Russian and republican party cheating on elections

HILARY WON


Americans don't want a leader who allows themselves to be walked on by evil people


they know those "leaders" will allow evil to walk on them too


I fight

I don't hold back the weapons available to me


Americans cuss

they always have

and they always will

cussing its self is an act of determined freedom


like Lenny Bruce once told the courts "don't take my words from me"

People would throng to see him and paid money to listen to his "words"


talking nice wont make nice guys out of evil men
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Hillary lost, she can't yet face that still, and she's probably going to do it all again.
 
Nordberg said:
Sort of. In righty circles, anything liberal is a red flag. They don't brag of being more conservative anymore. Now, whether they are more Trumpian. The conservatives and the Republican party are gone. Party leaders fled when trump got in.
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I've heard lots of Republican politicians in primary contests say variations of, "I am more conservative than my opponent."

LOTS OF THEM. Often.

I don't know that I've ever heard a Democrat in a primary contest say a variation of, "I am more liberal than my opponent."

Liberal politicians...for the most part (not entirely)...shy away from any use of "I am a liberal."

Just does not happen.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Hillary lost, she can't yet face that still, and she's probably going to do it all again.
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Hillary lost...she realizes she lost...I doubt seriously that she wants to do it again...and I doubt even more that she would get the okay from her party to be its candidate again.

I think she has handled her loss...which must have been devastating...very nicely and with class.
 
Nordberg said:
In a sense. Michelle was one of the big reasons the Dems lost. Being polite took Hillary and the Dems out of the battle. Trump determined the level of discourse. This was the lowest level presidential campaign in our lives. Hillary was still acting as we used to .Trump threw all the rules out and used insult, slurs, lies and name calling. It is possible, if Daffy wins,in 2020, we may never go back to debates based on information and parliamentary rules.
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Don did not lead america away from objective reality, he merely stepped into the breach we had already opened up.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Hillary lost...she realizes she lost...I doubt seriously that she wants to do it again...and I doubt even more that she would get the okay from her party to be its candidate again.

I think she has handled her loss...which must have been devastating...very nicely and with class.
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Nah, she wrote a book and blamed everyone else including voters; the party is down to voter shaming now. Her party stated in court they had no responsibility to respect or reflect the primary voters' wishes at all.

Ex-Clinton aide: Hillary will run again in 2020
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/416164-ex-clinton-aide-hillary-will-run-again-in-2020

Hillary Will Run Again
Reinventing herself as a liberal firebrand, Mrs. Clinton will easily capture the 2020 nomination.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-will-run-again-1541963599
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Hillary lost, she can't yet face that still, and she's probably going to do it all again.
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so you deny all the cheating that is documented by the USA court right up to the SCOTUS and Deny Russian manipulation of the election?


I always suspected you were a phony liberal
 
PoliTalker said:
Because meanness is contagious!

When you're mean to somebody, it makes them feel bad. When people feel bad, they tend to be mean to somebody else.

If you're mean to somebody, they are very likely to go and be mean to somebody else.

And around and around it goes, feeling bad, being mean, until most people think: 'That's just the way it is.'

But it doesn't have to be that way. And it shouldn't. Why are we letting mean people set the tone? We don't have to.

Part of the problem with internet posting is you don't get to look people in the eye. There's no expression. Nothing about the way you say something. You don't get to add a smile or a look.

It's all about what is written. The written word conveys it all. Nothing is softened with a smile, a wink or a glint in the eye. The written word is the only thing there, so the written word carries more weight than the spoken word. Everything is about what is written. Mean words become meaner.

Your words carry more weight here. Mean words hit harder. We have to be more careful. It's a big responsibility, taking care of other people's feelings. And it's important. What goes around comes around.

If we really want to help our nation, work out issues, solve problems, share information, communicate effectively, cause people to ponder our own creative ideas; we need to be nicer.

Mean words cause many to simply stay away from this site. Others may return, but use the Ignore Feature. The fact that mean words cause so many to stop or reduce their participation tells us the effect. The consequences of using mean words result in people not talking. And not listening, not communicating. Did we come here to participate in communication or shut it down?

We came here to talk about politics, talk about the business of our nation; learn, share, understand.

All of that is impacted by being mean. Impacted negatively. It hurts. Yes, mean words hurt people, hurt conversations, hurt good communication.

Nice people are driven away. This becomes a place for mean people and mean conversations. And that is exactly what we see, what others see, what turns off people who wander in here, sends them away, keeps this place limited; held back; less than it can be.

Most people don't want to talk about politics. We are unusual. We are willing to come here and talk about politics. That makes us special, rare. We all know people in real life that we can't talk politics with. We save our comments and bring them here because political comments are welcome here. We are the ones who care enough about what is going on in our country to come here and talk about it all. That makes it even more important that our conversations accomplish something beneficial. Being mean, turning people off, driving away positive contributions to the conversations is counteractive to helping our nation.

Standard anti-troll thread thief disclaimer:

If we care so much about what is going on in our country to come here and discuss politics, why do we allow ourselves to be so mean that it shuts down good discussions and instead turns into stupid flame wars with strangers over the internet? Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

And helping our nation improve is why we are all here. We can all think of ideas to help our nation. We come here to share them, talk about what we can do.

Being mean undoes the good we accomplish by coming here and sharing.

Some people around here need to give their attitude a tune up.

Why are you here? To share bad feelings? If so, why? What does it do for you to make other people feel bad? If there is ANY benefit to being mean, how long does that feeling last? Is it truly rewarding? Does it make you feel content? That fleeting little endorphin rush from being able to let loose with your anger. Does that really do any good? Maybe you should just stop and think about the big picture of what you are doing.

Maybe you need to examine just why you act mean. What are you trying to accomplish? Sounds like a cry for help from a messed up mind to me.

The we/they thing is real strong here. WE are the good guys; and THEY are the bad guys. We have to fight the bad guys so our goodness can reign. Right? Is that it?

Well if that's the motivation then the next logical question is if you are the good guys, how does being mean make you good?

Mean people suck. No part of being good involves being mean. Being mean is being bad. Be good. Be nice!

Don't be mean.

Respect other people as you would like to be respected yourself.

It's the golden rule.

And it makes sense.

For the good of humankind.

Being nice is the right thing to do.
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You want a more regulated forum, like Debatepolitics. This place is literally a free-for-all.
 
Hello Frank,

Frank Apisa said:
Then do it.

But you have taken to lecturing others to do as you do.

That is where my comments are aimed.

By the way...no one is setting my tone for me. I decided to join this forum because I saw it as a welcome relief from the highly moderated, often cliquey, forums THAT REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE YOUR TONE SET FOR YOU.

Now...when I first came here, I lectured Evince on his/her tone.

I was wrong.

This is not a site for the faint of heart.

Lecture as much as you want. I think you are wrong...and I will have my say and move on.
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If you don't like what I post you don't have to read it. We've been around on this before. We know how each other feels about this. I hope you were not surprised when you clicked on this thread and read what I had to write.

I appreciate you giving the best argument you can for the opposing view. It has not changed my mind. I doubt anything anyone says could, because I have done things both ways and I am extremely confident I am managing my participation here exactly how I want. Spreading love and peace and understanding. Yes. That never went out of fashion.


Love, Peace and Understanding NEVER WENT OUT OF FASHION​

I have absolutely no guilt over anything I say here. My style of posting is logically designed to meet this goal: If everyone posted like that, the forum would be a better place.

My conscience is completely clear. And if I inadvertently wrong somebody I own up to it.

If everybody presented their own views in the same spirit of good will, the forum would function far better. Ideally, everyone should self-moderate, and there would be no flame wars. Nothing but a cerebral exchange of ideas and brainstorming. Appreciation of ideas, objection to ideas, learning and sharing, delving deep into subjects, far deeper than the news, bonding interactively as a nation. That would be the result if everybody posted in the same spirit as that which I aspire to.

To me, the petty flame wars detract from the vast unrealized potential of what JPP could actually be.
 
Hello Apple Lung-Li-Chiao,

Apple Lung-Li-Chiao said:
You want a more regulated forum, like Debatepolitics. This place is literally a free-for-all.
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Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

I just found it. I don't like it because it doesn't have the little green lock thingy in the URL. It's not as secure as this one.

There are other sites I tried and didn't like because their were commercial, trying to sell me things. I don't like to be marketed.

Besides. I'm quite happy with my posting experience here. Just trying to spread a little love, make it better here, get others to see the benefits of being nice. I really feel like it is a favor. Some people don't want any unsolicited help. I get that. But I also get how angry these things used to make me, and how I have conquered that, transcended. People may not appreciate it at first, but then if they come around later they will be extremely appreciative.

Once, back when I was a big name-caller on a different chat site, I had made up a bunch of really bad names for President Bush. I was entirely too creative at that. Some of them really sunk home and upset some of the other posters. I could see all that. I guess that was what I was trying to do. Then, one day, a conservative poster sent me a PM. He said he recognized my intelligence, being well informed, and ability to write well, but he felt I would actually come across much better if I dropped the negativity. It kind of blew me away. I thought about what he said. Why would he say that? If he was conservative, why was he concerned about my ability to effectively argue a position? It's called win/win philosophy. You want your opponent to do better. Why? Because when your opponent is at his best, it forces you to be as well. It makes you better able to engage.

Now which nation is better off? The one where shallow people are sniping at one another, simply exchanging insults; or one where lots of people are very well informed and argue positions based on merit?

Well, I want the nation where lots of people are very well informed and argue positions based on the merit.

Every time.

So that's what I am doing my part to create.

Hey.

It beats apathy.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I've heard lots of Republican politicians in primary contests say variations of, "I am more conservative than my opponent."

LOTS OF THEM. Often.

I don't know that I've ever heard a Democrat in a primary contest say a variation of, "I am more liberal than my opponent."

Liberal politicians...for the most part (not entirely)...shy away from any use of "I am a liberal."

Just does not happen.
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It does now. Being liberal is good. Lots of the new Dems won on exactly that message. Like Brown, Ocasio Corte and others who proudly ran as liberals] Not even showing a respect for socialism is driving voters away.
 
Nordberg said:
It does now. Being liberal is good. Lots of the new Dems won on exactly that message. Like Brown, Ocasio Corte and others who proudly ran as liberals] Not even showing a respect for socialism is driving voters away.
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If you say so. I've certainly not seen it.

Other than Ocasio Corte...please quote any Democratic politician touting how liberal he/she is.

Even Bernie Sanders didn't do that.
 
Hello Cypress,

All true.

Cypress said:
In my opinion, the same rules of social etiquette apply whether words are coming out of your mouth, or being typed by one's fingers on a keyboard.

Plenty of message board dupes will call someone names and pejoratives, will attempt to dehumanize others, and will relentlessly gossip like schoolgirls behind someone's back.

But they do not actually do that in real life to someone's face.

That is the definition of cowardice - it is basically the domain of man-babies and sociopaths.
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And it is only logical that an impersonal internet forum would attract a collection of those antisocial types.
 
Hello cawacko,

cawacko said:
Not sanctimonious at all, I contribute to the poor environment here. I'm not above anything or better than anyone else. I need to work on myself. Ultimately it's about being a man and taking responsibility for your own actions.
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Great attitude.

And you are better than most.

Always a pleasure to mix it up with you. You represent the right well.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Yes...they can.

And if someone does not want to operate that way...they should be able to do it without all the goddam lectures.

But...I am a tolerant person, so when people lecture me...I politely disagree and continue doing what I deem reasonable.

How 'bout you?
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Sorry 'bout the lectures. Hey. We all have to put up with nuisance posts we don't appreciate much. And we agree on so much really important stuff that's much bigger than manners.

I appreciate that you tone it down for me. I'm glad to be able to hear your positions on social issues, Frank.
 
Hello evince,

evince said:
you know it

go watch the late night TV and its political discussions

People in real life talk like I do

Comedians talk like I do

its freeing and funny as all get out
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Comedians do that in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way, Hey. I even linked George Carlin with an F-bomb laced tirade right in the OP of this thread. The reason that works for comedians is because it is shocking. Since people can't normally talk like that in public settings, to hear somebody just let loose with all that is attention-getting. It's a trick that stand-ups use to keep people's attention. A stand-up cannot let the crowd's attention slip away from the delivery. If a stand-up loses the crowd, he is done for.

The problem is that is being worn out by over use. It is no longer attention-getting or funny if it's the same stuff over and over again. That's what we've become. So I am part of the crowd that says: 'hey maybe we lost something.' Maybe it was better when we had more respect for one another.
 
One righty does drive-by posts with insults and includes pictures. He does one after another expecting you to scroll through his screed for a minute or 2. He is the only person I put on ignore.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello evince,



Comedians do that in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way, Hey. I even linked George Carlin with an F-bomb laced tirade right in the OP of this thread. The reason that works for comedians is because it is shocking. Since people can't normally talk like that in public settings, to hear somebody just let loose with all that is attention-getting. It's a trick that stand-ups use to keep people's attention. A stand-up cannot let the crowd's attention slip away from the delivery. If a stand-up loses the crowd, he is done for.

The problem is that is being worn out by over use. It is no longer attention-getting or funny if it's the same stuff over and over again. That's what we've become. So I am part of the crowd that says: 'hey maybe we lost something.' Maybe it was better when we had more respect for one another.
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what you don't understand is people DO talk like this


pretending they don't is kinda silly
 
Bernie USED my party for his own gain after saying he would not go negative


then he went negative on Hilary and used the Russian lies he knew were lies against her.


I don't trust Bernie
 
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