Why libertarianism should be outlawed

StoneByStone said:
You have to buy into the anti-white narrative. But other than that, I don't think Woke Capitalism is a thing. At the very most, corporations are seeing that girls read comic books and watch superhero movies too, so now they're creating more stories with female protagonists. Not because they want to brag about being woke, but because they like making money.
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I'm not referring to more representation in media. I'm referring to things like the anti-white narrative you're talking about. Corporations have actually lost money from many woke narratives. Look at Gilette's failed ad campaign that alienated most male customers by pushing the "toxic masculinity" narrative.

Sometimes, the woke thing does sell, but it often comes at the price of losing other customers. The NFL has lately been pushing the social justice issues, and their revenue went significantly down last season as compared with previous seasons.

The bottom line might play a part to an extent, but it seems to involve quite a few true believers in key positions of some corporations.
 
StoneByStone said:
I don't really think SJW Progressives are that common. The so-called Anti-SJW movement just sees SJW things everywhere. Marvel releases like 20 movies where the main character is a male, then they release Captain Marvel, and Anti-SJW YouTube goes nuts about WOKE FEMINISM. Pretty soon, after all the movies with straight superheroes, we're going to get a movie with a gay superhero, and the Right will rant and rave about how cisgender males are being pushed out of cinema.
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Really? Black Lives Matters, for example, is a social justice movement. These protests and protesters are social justice activists. There are differing levels of course social justice activists/SJW's aren't a fringe group in society, this is mainstream.
 
cawacko said:
Really? Black Lives Matters, for example, is a social justice movement. These protests and protesters are social justice activists. There are differing levels of course social justice activists/SJW's aren't a fringe group in society, this is mainstream.
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Only when it comes to race. And those black protesters aren't really SJW. Most of them don't care about sexism, homophobia, or transphobia.
 
StoneByStone said:
Only when it comes to race. And those black protesters aren't really SJW. Most of them don't care about sexism, homophobia, or transphobia.
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You're free to rank their perceived level of wokeness on all those topics but it doesn't change the fact it's a social justice movement. And BLM isn't the only movement out there, that's just one of them.
 
Woko Haram said:
I'm not referring to more representation in media. I'm referring to things like the anti-white narrative you're talking about. Corporations have actually lost money from many woke narratives. Look at Gilette's failed ad campaign that alienated most male customers by pushing the "toxic masculinity" narrative.

Sometimes, the woke thing does sell, but it often comes at the price of losing other customers. The NFL has lately been pushing the social justice issues, and their revenue went significantly down last season as compared with previous seasons.

The bottom line might play a part to an extent, but it seems to involve quite a few true believers in key positions of some corporations.
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The reaction to Gilette's ad was a perfect example of "Anti-SJW" madness. That wasn't Woke Capitalism, that was just a positive message about how men can be better. But because the Right now sees EVERYTHING as politics, they saw it as an SJW commercial.
Probably the worst part of the Anti-SJW thing, besides all the cringe, is that we can't have a conversation about toxic masculinity now without a mass triggering.

The anti-white narrative is bad, but that's an entirely different issue. The media isn't also anti-male, anti-straight, anti-cis, or anti-christian.
 
cawacko said:
You're free to rank their perceived level of wokeness on all those topics but it doesn't change the fact it's a social justice movement. And BLM isn't the only movement out there, that's just one of them.
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It is, but I see it as separate from the so-called SJW woke thing. Most of these BLM Blacks aren't against racism, they're against anti-black racism. They're not SJW cucks, they're people fighting for their own interests.
 
StoneByStone said:
The reaction to Gilette's ad was a perfect example of "Anti-SJW" madness. That wasn't Woke Capitalism, that was just a positive message about how men can be better. But because the Right now sees EVERYTHING as politics, they saw it as an SJW commercial.
Probably the worst part of the Anti-SJW thing, besides all the cringe, is that we can't have a conversation about toxic masculinity now without a mass triggering.

The anti-white narrative is bad, but that's an entirely different issue. The media isn't also anti-male, anti-straight, anti-cis, or anti-christian.
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You're a lot more SJW than you seem to realize.
 
StoneByStone said:
While that term meant something negative like three years ago, today an SJW is just someone who doesn't think the entire world is persecuting the broflakes. If that's the case, then sure, I'm an SJW.
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It sounds like you view that term the same way I view alt-right. It seems that anyone who dares question feminism or various other liberal narratives is alt-right now.
 
Woko Haram said:
It sounds like you view that term the same way I view alt-right. It seems that anyone who dares question feminism or various other liberal narratives is alt-right now.
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I don't think the Alt-Right is all that common either, but there actually are popular activists with notable followings who are Alt-Right. But I can't think of any popular activists who think questioning Feminism makes you Alt-Right.
 
StoneByStone said:
I don't think the Alt-Right is all that common either, but there actually are popular activists with notable followings who are Alt-Right. But I can't think of any popular activists who think questioning Feminism makes you Alt-Right.
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I'm referring mostly to how the term is thrown about toward anyone that questions feminism. Take Jordan Peterson, for example. At most, he's right of center, but his criticisms toward feminism have sometimes gotten columnists to label him as alt-right.

Carl Benjamin has often been called that as well, but he's a Classical Liberal.
 
Woko Haram said:
I'm referring mostly to how the term is thrown about toward anyone that questions feminism. Take Jordan Peterson, for example. At most, he's right of center, but his criticisms toward feminism have sometimes gotten columnists to label him as alt-right.

Carl Benjamin has often been called that as well, but he's a Classical Liberal.
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Jordan Peterson uses Alt-Right talking-points constantly. It's like how Trump pretends to be racist. Peterson knows that much of his base is the Alt-Right, so he says sexist things in order to get attention. So yeah, he's probably not really Alt-Right, but can you really blame people for thinking he is?

If you listen to Carl Benjamin's debate with Vaush, you'll see that he's definitely Alt-Right. Vaush may be kind of a dick, but something I like about him is that he gives liars no quarter. He always drags the truth out of people like Benjamin. His debate with I, Hypocrite was just a murder.
 
StoneByStone said:
Jordan Peterson uses Alt-Right talking-points constantly. It's like how Trump pretends to be racist. Peterson knows that much of his base is the Alt-Right, so he says sexist things in order to get attention. So yeah, he's probably not really Alt-Right, but can you really blame people for thinking he is?

If you listen to Carl Benjamin's debate with Vaush, you'll see that he's definitely Alt-Right. Vaush may be kind of a dick, but something I like about him is that he gives liars no quarter. He always drags the truth out of people like Benjamin. His debate with I, Hypocrite was just a murder.
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Ok, I'll bite. Tell me something revealed by this interview with Benjamin that makes him alt-right.

While you're at it, tell me something that Peterson has said that is an alt-right talking point.
 
Woko Haram said:
Ok, I'll bite. Tell me something revealed by this interview with Benjamin that makes him alt-right.
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Vaush managed to out him as a White Nationalist. That, along with his cringy sexism, edgy transphobia, and Trumpcuckery, pretty much makes him Alt-Right

While you're at it, tell me something that Peterson has said that is an alt-right talking point.
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Peterson always talks about the importance of order over chaos, then assigns order to males, and chaos to females. Because he can't actually defend such stupidity, he backs off when challenged, saying what he actually means is that we need the balance of order and chaos, thus totally contradicting himself. The real reason he assigns chaos to females is because the Alt-Right is sexist and likes hearing that stuff.
Peterson also says that society needs religion to function, another common Alt-Right talking-point. Peterson is likely an Atheist, so when he's asked if he believes in God, he dances around the question by talking about archetypes and about how Jesus is "realer than real" because he has the perfect story or some stupid shit like that. He's also said that you can't create art without being religious. Again, he doesn't really believe this so he can't defend it. So when pressed on this view, he'll say that great artists who were Atheist had a "religious spirit." WTF?
And of course, there is his endless obsession with Cultural Marxism. A conspiracy theory about an ideology that doesn't exist based on Nazi propaganda.
 
StoneByStone said:
Vaush managed to out him as a White Nationalist. That, along with his cringy sexism, edgy transphobia, and Trumpcuckery, pretty much makes him Alt-Right
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That's a lot of generalizations with no specifics. What makes him a white nationalist? I honestly ask because Benjamin has repeatedly denounced identitarianism, including white identitarianism.

StoneByStone said:
Peterson always talks about the importance of order over chaos, then assigns order to males, and chaos to females. Because he can't actually defend such stupidity, he backs off when challenged, saying what he actually means is that we need the balance of order and chaos, thus totally contradicting himself. The real reason he assigns chaos to females is because the Alt-Right is sexist and likes hearing that stuff.
Peterson also says that society needs religion to function, another common Alt-Right talking-point. Peterson is likely an Atheist, so when he's asked if he believes in God, he dances around the question by talking about archetypes and about how Jesus is "realer than real" because he has the perfect story or some stupid shit like that. He's also said that you can't create art without being religious. Again, he doesn't really believe this so he can't defend it. So when pressed on this view, he'll say that great artists who were Atheist had a "religious spirit." WTF?
And of course, there is his endless obsession with Cultural Marxism. A conspiracy theory about an ideology that doesn't exist based on Nazi propaganda.
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Well, given that almost every society has had a set of religious values to draw from, it's kind of hard to make the argument that it doesn't need religion to function.

Even the Soviet Union and Maoist China had ideologies that basically functioned as religions. In the USSR, you had an official ideology that worshiped the state, and a large portion of the population still followed Russian Orthodox Christianity covertly. China had a personality cult with Mao.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a society without either a religious majority or a culture that still maintains values representative of its religious heritage.
 
Woko Haram said:
That's a lot of generalizations with no specifics. What makes him a white nationalist? I honestly ask because Benjamin has repeatedly denounced identitarianism, including white identitarianism.
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In the debate with Vaush, they were arguing over immigration and whether or not it changes the culture of a country. Vaush was saying that children of immigrants grow up assimilated to the dominant culture, while Benjamin would counter this by saying most people in London no longer identity as "White British." Of course he denied being a White Nationalist, but he kept coming back to this argument, even when Vaush asked why race mattered if he's not a WN.

Well, given that almost every society has had a set of religious values to draw from, it's kind of hard to make the argument that it doesn't need religion to function.
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Western Civilization is based on logic and philosophy, not religion. And the least religious countries have the highest living standards. We could assume that even though Western Civilization is mostly secular, they needed Christian influences to be successful. But if that was the case, I'd imagine the least religious countries wouldn't be doing the best.

Even the Soviet Union and Maoist China had ideologies that basically functioned as religions. In the USSR, you had an official ideology that worshiped the state, and a large portion of the population still followed Russian Orthodox Christianity covertly. China had a personality cult with Mao.
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Yeah, and look what happened there. The Soviet Union and Maoist China just show that any kind of feels over reals society is very basic. Society shouldn't be built on the worship of mythological figures, the government, or human beings. Societies should be based on logic.

By the way, did you ever see Jordan Peterson on the Joe Rogan show? Another massive contradiction Peterson makes for the Alt-Right is his view that we should have a culture of monogamy, because the Alt-Right wants that, but we should have Social Darwinism when it comes to economics, because the opposite would be left-wing.
 
MarcusA said:
There are plenty of good reasons for this, for starters:

1. Libertarians bastardize "Rousseau" and promote the lie and myth that people are "naturally" good; not only is this antithetical to the philoosphy of the law and easily debunkable to the point that only denialism is the option, this also means that a libertarian is pro-pedophilia by default (e.x. the act of molesting a child is "natural", libertarians believe anything "natural" is good", therefore libertarians by that definition are in favor of pedophilia).


I'd argue this is a good enough reason by default, and that no others should even be necessary. Much like the degenerate left, the degenerate libertarians (a subset of the radical left) are a blight upon our existence and should not be allowed to perpetuate their lusts for feral vices such as sodomy, pedophila, and other forms of social illness; they are nothing but anathema to a true right-wing nationalist platform grounded in virtue, nation and state, above the feral and inferior ways of degenerate and decrepted mongrols who fancy them selves "individuals", when in actuality they are but akin to an infectuous disease whose "individuality" can easily be blighted with the barrel of a loaded gun if nation, state, church, God, virtue deem it necessary.
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Libertarians do not believe people are good, that's why they don't trust government.
 
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