PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello gfm7175,
Same reason we all pay for public K-12 school whether we have children or not. Because it is good for the society we live in, so it is good for all of us.
Mincing words, now? Whatever. Call it tuition-paid college. Call it public college. I don't care what you want to call it. It is what we need to do. K-12 becomes K-16. Done deal. Progress. Making America great again.
You have only calculated the cost, and ignored the benefit. You have incorrectly assumed that there is no benefit to society, the economy and the GDP. There is a benefit.
This oversight, from the same mindset that heralds big corporate CEOs as these amazingly smart people who create jobs. But they would be nothing without their college educations, now would they. If a college education allows these special people to create jobs, create wealth for themselves and others, why can't somebody else do the same thing? For many, this will make the difference. Paid college tuition gives them the head start that makes the difference. Or is this something you feel should only be available to the super-rich...
There is nothing unclear about it. And nothing sneaky. This is a wide open public debate.
Yes. Just like when people who paid for their own K-12 schooling began to pay property taxes, which then paid for the free public schools.
And the individual. I hope you are not proposing to dictate to people what degree people should pursue. I don't think you have considered the potential here. The nation needs doctors. We are going to need more qualified GP doctors to meet the demand of universal healthcare. Tuition-paid college could help churn out great numbers of new doctors to meet that demand without having all the new students shackled in debt to Wall Street.
The only way they can possibly pay more into the system would be because they are out there earning more money than they would if they didn't have a degree. Smart people with college degrees start businesses. Those businesses create jobs. All those workers pay into the system when they pay their taxes. More people earning more money would generate more revenue. The net revenue generated would exceed the government spending on college tuition. It becomes a net gain for the economy.
Conversely, if you don't help people, and you just leave them on their own, without college degrees some of them are likely to get into trouble. They might run afoul of the law. We might have to spend even more tax money for police to bring them to justice, courts to adjudicate them, prisons to lock them up. The USA has the largest prison system in the world. It is also the most costly system in the world. You either give people the tools they need to succeed, or you pay to support them or incarcerate them when they don't. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Guess what else happens? When you let people flounder like that, they have kids. But they don't always make the best parents. So their kids take after their parents. More social problems down the road. Public education, or the lack of it, has serious ramifications extending far beyond how much it costs in increased taxes. Basically, it's either pay a little extra to do this now, or pay a lot more extra later to suffer the consequences of not doing it.
EDUCATION PREVENTS PRISONS.
You said nothing is free and it is true.
Making America great again isn't free, either.
What.
Did you think you can have a great nation for free?
Allowing education to get prohibitively expensive is placing roadblocks to success. We could be cutting the nation off from the next amazing whizzkid. Bill Gates had a college education. We could be stifling the achievements of the next Bill Gates. You have no idea the potential we would are ensuring would never be realized by not having universal tuition-paid public college. I am not letting you cut us off from this. I am voting for someone who supports this excellent idea. I can see the potential. It's just like when we had no public schools and then after it began we had the industrial age. Now it is time to up the ante and go up a level. It's the right thing to do at the right time.
Same reason we all pay for public K-12 school whether we have children or not. Because it is good for the society we live in, so it is good for all of us.
Mincing words, now? Whatever. Call it tuition-paid college. Call it public college. I don't care what you want to call it. It is what we need to do. K-12 becomes K-16. Done deal. Progress. Making America great again.
You have only calculated the cost, and ignored the benefit. You have incorrectly assumed that there is no benefit to society, the economy and the GDP. There is a benefit.
This oversight, from the same mindset that heralds big corporate CEOs as these amazingly smart people who create jobs. But they would be nothing without their college educations, now would they. If a college education allows these special people to create jobs, create wealth for themselves and others, why can't somebody else do the same thing? For many, this will make the difference. Paid college tuition gives them the head start that makes the difference. Or is this something you feel should only be available to the super-rich...
There is nothing unclear about it. And nothing sneaky. This is a wide open public debate.
Yes. Just like when people who paid for their own K-12 schooling began to pay property taxes, which then paid for the free public schools.
And the individual. I hope you are not proposing to dictate to people what degree people should pursue. I don't think you have considered the potential here. The nation needs doctors. We are going to need more qualified GP doctors to meet the demand of universal healthcare. Tuition-paid college could help churn out great numbers of new doctors to meet that demand without having all the new students shackled in debt to Wall Street.
The only way they can possibly pay more into the system would be because they are out there earning more money than they would if they didn't have a degree. Smart people with college degrees start businesses. Those businesses create jobs. All those workers pay into the system when they pay their taxes. More people earning more money would generate more revenue. The net revenue generated would exceed the government spending on college tuition. It becomes a net gain for the economy.
Conversely, if you don't help people, and you just leave them on their own, without college degrees some of them are likely to get into trouble. They might run afoul of the law. We might have to spend even more tax money for police to bring them to justice, courts to adjudicate them, prisons to lock them up. The USA has the largest prison system in the world. It is also the most costly system in the world. You either give people the tools they need to succeed, or you pay to support them or incarcerate them when they don't. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Guess what else happens? When you let people flounder like that, they have kids. But they don't always make the best parents. So their kids take after their parents. More social problems down the road. Public education, or the lack of it, has serious ramifications extending far beyond how much it costs in increased taxes. Basically, it's either pay a little extra to do this now, or pay a lot more extra later to suffer the consequences of not doing it.
EDUCATION PREVENTS PRISONS.
You said nothing is free and it is true.
Making America great again isn't free, either.
What.
Did you think you can have a great nation for free?
Allowing education to get prohibitively expensive is placing roadblocks to success. We could be cutting the nation off from the next amazing whizzkid. Bill Gates had a college education. We could be stifling the achievements of the next Bill Gates. You have no idea the potential we would are ensuring would never be realized by not having universal tuition-paid public college. I am not letting you cut us off from this. I am voting for someone who supports this excellent idea. I can see the potential. It's just like when we had no public schools and then after it began we had the industrial age. Now it is time to up the ante and go up a level. It's the right thing to do at the right time.
