Why was 2nd amendment written?

T. A. Gardner said:
No, the problem is that criminals use weapons as part of their tool set for committing crimes. Elimination of firearms doesn't solve this as Britain has proved. Criminals resort to knives. Ban those, and they resort to improvised weapons instead. So, citing the US having the highest rate of gun violence is meaningless. All you do by confiscating the guns is change the weapon of choice.

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That's what you get when you ban guns and knife crimes skyrocket. But you can go to a home improvement store in Britain and buy this no questions asked:

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That is known in the US in the trades as a "stab saw" for cutting drywall. Guess what else it can be used for...

When you look at nations around the world, murder rates don't have much to do with gun ownership...

https://www.undispatch.com/countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-ranked-in-a-new-un-report/

In the US, the most dangerous cities are generally those with:

Democrat government
Strict gun control laws
High percentage minority populations, particularly Blacks.

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If gun control works so well, why isn't it working in these cities?
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Horse pucky. What is the knife death rate in Britain vs the gun death rate in the US?

I’m talking gun deaths, not just gun murders. Keep focused here.
 
domer76 said:
Horse pucky. What is the knife death rate in Britain vs the gun death rate in the US?

I’m talking gun deaths, not just gun murders. Keep focused here.
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KNIFE CRISIS Knife crime in Britain hits record high as offence reported every 11 MINUTES
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12149850/knife-crime-britain-record-high/

Blunt blades, GPS trackers and longer school hours: The hunt for an answer to Britain's knife-crime crisis
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/uk/knife-crime-uk-solutions-gbr-intl/index.html

More laws are not the answer. Less crime and fewer criminals are.
 
domer76 said:
You failed to address the question. What is the knife DEATH RATE in Britain vs the gun DEATH RATE in the US?
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No, I ignored the question as largely irrelevant. Being killed as opposed to maimed in a criminal act is hardly worth splitting. There's no difference between surviving a gun shot and and surviving being stabbed. But to answer your question:

The homicide rate is much lower, even as the rate of violent crimes involving bodily harm is much higher...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/18/world/london-us-cities-homicide-rates-comparison-intl-gbr/index.html

This is the same sort of hair spitting done on domestic terrorism. Only the body count is considered by the MSM and much of the Left. That discounts the huge mass of lessor violent crimes that cost far more in terms of economic loss (and yes, you can put a price on a human life) in favor of trying to score a political victory.

Your argument could be restated, essentially as, Well, you didn't die! You were only horribly maimed and will have issues and health problems, not to mention mental issues for years to come and your life may go to shit as result, but at least you lived!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, I ignored the question as largely irrelevant. Being killed as opposed to maimed in a criminal act is hardly worth splitting. There's no difference between surviving a gun shot and and surviving being stabbed. But to answer your question:

The homicide rate is much lower, even as the rate of violent crimes involving bodily harm is much higher...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/18/world/london-us-cities-homicide-rates-comparison-intl-gbr/index.html

This is the same sort of hair spitting done on domestic terrorism. Only the body count is considered by the MSM and much of the Left. That discounts the huge mass of lessor violent crimes that cost far more in terms of economic loss (and yes, you can put a price on a human life) in favor of trying to score a political victory.

Your argument could be restated, essentially as, Well, you didn't die! You were only horribly maimed and will have issues and health problems, not to mention mental issues for years to come and your life may go to shit as result, but at least you lived!
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You keep trying to skate the question. I can’t make it much clearer.

Try to focus. I’m not talking crimes, murders or homicides. I’m talking DEATHS. Period.

You want to focus on knives vs guns. Great. Let’s do that.

Show us the knife DEATH RATE in Britain vs the gun DEATH RATE in the US.
 
domer76 said:
You keep trying to skate the question. I can’t make it much clearer.

Try to focus. I’m not talking crimes, murders or homicides. I’m talking DEATHS. Period.

You want to focus on knives vs guns. Great. Let’s do that.

Show us the knife DEATH RATE in Britain vs the gun DEATH RATE in the US.
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Yes, I know. I gave you an answer, and then tried to explain why what you are asking for is largely irrelevant. The knife death rate in the UK is much lower than the gun death rate in the US even excluding suicides. What's your point in wanting to know that?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
kid LOL...........ok


point to the part of my Constitution that encouraged that.............

and no, we actually weren't discussing that.........
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Oh, my mistake. I thought your original Constitution allowed property in other human beings and encouraged you to have guns to kill them if they escaped. Must have been China! :)
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, I know. I gave you an answer, and then tried to explain why what you are asking for is largely irrelevant. The knife death rate in the UK is much lower than the gun death rate in the US even excluding suicides. What's your point in wanting to know that?
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You keep trying to divert by saying other weapons will be used and point to Britain using knifes. But that rate still doesn’t approach our death rate. Never heard of a “drive by” knifing, have you?

There are 40,000 gun deaths every year. Highest rate in industrial societies. By far.

The reason is the number and complete ease of accessibility. You can cite all the stats you want about blacks and “democrat” cities, but it doesn’t change those basic facts. Numbers and access.
 
Gun huggers miss the 'well regulated part. "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."


"Mass shootings are by now a standard part of American life. Preparing for them has become a ritual of childhood. It’s as American as Monday Night Football, and very nearly as frequent."

https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2019/08/03/rituals-of-childhood/


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Below is what we have today because of the worship of guns.

'Statistics on Daily Gun Violence in America'

'Daily Gun Violence Impacting People of All Ages in the U.S.

Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown

Lots more in link below for those who can see beyond their blinders and bias.

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics
 
domer76 said:
You keep trying to divert by saying other weapons will be used and point to Britain using knifes. But that rate still doesn’t approach our death rate. Never heard of a “drive by” knifing, have you?

There are 40,000 gun deaths every year. Highest rate in industrial societies. By far.

The reason is the number and complete ease of accessibility. You can cite all the stats you want about blacks and “democrat” cities, but it doesn’t change those basic facts. Numbers and access.
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Too bad only something like 12 to 15,000 of those are murders the rest are suicides or other non-crime related causes.

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Banning firearms won't stop people from committing suicide. It also doesn't change what I stated. The problem is criminals committing violent crimes, not firearms.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Too bad only something like 12 to 15,000 of those are murders the rest are suicides or other non-crime related causes.

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Banning firearms won't stop people from committing suicide. It also doesn't change what I stated. The problem is criminals committing violent crimes, not firearms.
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Bullshit.
 
Even Midcan's statistics from the Brady institute show this:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown
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midcan5 said:
Gun huggers miss the 'well regulated part. "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."


"Mass shootings are by now a standard part of American life. Preparing for them has become a ritual of childhood. It’s as American as Monday Night Football, and very nearly as frequent."

https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2019/08/03/rituals-of-childhood/


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


Below is what we have today because of the worship of guns.

'Statistics on Daily Gun Violence in America'

'Daily Gun Violence Impacting People of All Ages in the U.S.

Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown

Lots more in link below for those who can see beyond their blinders and bias.

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics
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Since Burger is dead and no longer on the Court, no one but you gun haters give a fuck what he has to say.
 
Evmetro said:
Why do you think the 2nd amendment was written?
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I know precisely why: We didn't have a standing army, and the colonists wanted to ensure a militia could be promptly called up to repel an attack. More than that, however, the south wanted a secure right to arms so that they could arm slave patrols.

In other words, the 2nd amendment is an utterly fucking meaningless anachronism today, with a history in cold-blooded racism.
 
domer76 said:
You keep trying to divert by saying other weapons will be used and point to Britain using knifes. But that rate still doesn’t approach our death rate. Never heard of a “drive by” knifing, have you?

There are 40,000 gun deaths every year. Highest rate in industrial societies. By far.

The reason is the number and complete ease of accessibility. You can cite all the stats you want about blacks and “democrat” cities, but it doesn’t change those basic facts. Numbers and access.
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They always blame Chicago and New Orleans, yet eight of the top 10 states for gun-deaths-per-capita are red states (with Alaska, Wyoming, and Oklahoma high up on the list -- TOTALLY notorious for their black populations, amirite?)
 
Thats a good question and all we can do is base our answers on our opnions and look at what was going on in history.

many freedom fighter then picked up their own firearms made their own bullets etc and went to fight for their freedom against England for a number of reasons.
Our founders wanted to make sure the American people had the right to defend themselves and rise up and fight against oppression and for their freedom if needed.

Our nation was built on the gun , from gathering food to fighting for our freedoms.
While harvesting food with a gun is not as common as it was at one time it is still a practice we Americans have, also personal defense is a bigger issue today I think and shooting sports are very common, but defending our freedoms from those who would try to take them is as a important issue today as it was them.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
Oh, my mistake. I thought your original Constitution allowed property in other human beings and encouraged you to have guns to kill them if they escaped. Must have been China! :)
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you're only half right.........but then again, we did finally amend that constitution to recognize that people cannot be property. NOTHING in the constitution encouraged anyone to use guns to kill those escaping.
 
midcan5 said:
Gun huggers miss the 'well regulated part. "In 1991
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almost the stupidest post about this subject. 200 years after ratification and Burger thinks he knows better about what the founders understood than the founders stated, VERY CLEARLY, about the 2nd Amendment. Burger was a moron with a political agenda. nothing more.
 
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