Zelensky bans 11 opposition political parties

During his presidency, Poroshenko and his allies were exposed in numerous journalist investigations alleging large-scale corruption, which they denied.
Poroshenko’s top allies have also been investigated and charged in corruption cases implicating Poroshenko

“He could have been jailed for economic crimes for life,” Tytych said.

However, instead of prosecuting Poroshenko for alleged corruption with strong evidence, the incumbent authorities decided to go after him in a much more dubious treason case that is harder to prove.
authorities chose the treason charges because their aim is not to deliver justice but to discredit Poroshenko politically by associating him with Medvedchuk and Russia.

Is the case political?

Whether Poroshenko committed a crime or not, the case is widely seen as politically motivated.

Poroshenko, who leads the 27-member European Solidarity faction in parliament, has been one of the main opponents of Zelensky.

Both have made their antipathy for each other public. In 2020, Zelensky said that everyone in Ukraine was “waiting for Poroshenko to be jailed.”
https://warsawinstitute.review/issu...revolution-presidential-elections-in-ukraine/
 
here's another one I forgot - "systemic endemic corruption"= Ukraine

2000 murder of journalist Georgiy Gongadze, in which ex-Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma is a prime suspect; the 2004 Orange Revolution, in which a massive public uprising blocked Viktor Yanukovych from taking power as president after the rigged presidential election of November 26, 2004;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_Post
 
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BartenderElite said:
You've been saying for years that Putin was no threat. Now, you're trying to save face by overplaying what Zelensky is doing.

Have you EVER been right about Russia, or about the Ukraine? Even once?
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WTF? damn you are stupid - i wont call you a liar..yet..i think you are just lazy/dumb
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I've been saying refusing to take Russian security needs such as:
(monopolarism/ refusing to negotiate over Russian redlines/ NATO expansion / uber-militarizing Uk
meddling in their politics) is eventually going to push Putin into a Sino-Russian orbit
which we just saw formalized at the Olympics

Anyone with an ounce of attention could have looked at Donbas as an example of Russia
getting kicked around with western weapons and Russia trying to establish a "buffer"

I've always advocated diplomacy/talks and recognition of Russian security needs as legit
we did the exact opposite..you see the results of this predicate to invasion
 
It is extraordinary that the people who cheered on the Kraken lies, the Stop the Steal riot, and all of Trump's attempts to thwart the election results are now such passionate critics of the purity of democracy in Ukraine.


It doesn't matter if Ukraine is a democracy, a monarchy, or an oligarchy. They did not deserve to be invaded, their cities reduced to ash, or to be the victims of some of the worst crimes against humanity in Europe since Adolph Hitler.
 
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Cypress said:
It is extraordinary that the people who cheered on the Kraken lies, the Stop the Steal riot, and all of Trump's attempts to thwart the election results are not such passionate critics of the purity of democracy in Ukraine.


It doesn't matter if Ukraine is a democracy, a monarchy, or an oligarchy. They did not deserve to be invaded, their cities reduced to ash, or to be the victims of some of the worst crimes against humanity in Europe since Adolph Hitler.
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conflation on a MASSIVE SCALE- Biden gets in and in a year after refusing to even negotiate Russian security
( the Lavrov letters to Biden) shows Putin Ukraine is being used as an escalatory proxy war by the west
^ (since you feel the need to politicize the war - -i dont)
 
dukkha said:
conflation on a MASSIVE SCALE- Biden gets in and in a year after refusing to even negotiate Russian security
( the Lavrov letters to Biden) shows Putin Ukraine is being used as an escalatory proxy war by the west
^ (since you feel the need to politicize the war - -i dont)
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you have no standing to judge the purity of Ukranian democracy, given that you cheered on every Kraken attempt Trump made to thwart our election.

Ukraine under no circumstances deserves to have their cities razed to the ground by your favorite war criminal Dear Vlad.
 
Moral of the story: Trump supporters have been sucking Vlad's c*ck for so many years that they just cannot bring themselves to admit there was some reasonable justification for Russophobia.
 
Cypress said:
you have no standing to judge the purity of Ukranian democracy, given that you cheered on every Kraken attempt Trump made to thwart our election.

Ukraine under no circumstances deserves to have their cities razed to the ground by your favorite war criminal Dear Vlad.
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no I didnt "cheer it on" I said it's Understandable considering the lack of redress from courts

Cant get the courts to rule on COVID measures pre-election ( Sec of state usurping state legislators)
and then after the election courts rules hearing a case is not dispositive/standing

That is NOT "cheering it on"-

..and more conflation that "Ukrainian democracy" ( a misnomer) = "cheering on the invasion"
you are writing desperate crap ad hom instead of looking at Ukraine for what it is -systemic corruption
 
Cypress said:
Moral of the story: Trump supporters have been sucking Vlad's c*ck for so many years that they just cannot bring themselves to admit there was some reasonable justification for Russophobia.
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your way (demonization of Putin) led to war. utter fail.

I advocated negotiations, defusing tensions, treating Russian security needs as legit, and quit putting Putin in a box- which was a path away from war.. realpolitik, not dismissing Russia as "evil Empire"
 
dukkha said:
no I didnt "cheer it on" I said it's Understandable considering the lack of redress from courts

Cant get the courts to rule on COVID measures pre-election ( Sec of state usurping state legislators)
and then after the election courts rules hearing a case is not dispositive/standing

That is NOT "cheering it on"-

..and more conflation that "Ukrainian democracy" ( a misnomer) = "cheering on the invasion"
you are writing desperate crap ad hom instead of looking at Ukraine for what it is -systemic corruption
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Sadly, your record of Kraken lies leaves you no credibility to be the judge of the purity of Ukranian democracy.

I actually correspond with a couple people in Ukraine. By world standards, they have a functioning democracy. They have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of movement and economic opportunity, and they have open elections that are reasonably clean by average world standards.

It is remarkable that you cannot find it within your moral conscience to pick a side between sovereign independent Ukraine, and war criminal Vlad Putin.
 
Cypress said:
Sadly, your record of Kraken lies leaves you no credibility to be the judge of the purity of Ukranian democracy.

I actually correspond with a couple people in Ukraine. By world standards, they have a functioning democracy. They have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of movement and economic opportunity, and they have open elections that are reasonably clean by average world standards.

It is remarkable that you cannot find it within your moral conscience to pick a side between sovereign independent Ukraine, and war criminal Vlad Putin.
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the place is notoriously corrupt
post 211 -
western media expose and by NYT -who then goes after Owens for repeating what they published

post 197 - political indictment of Poroshenko for "treason" by Zelensky to kill his opposition
corruption was a maybe charge - treason is an attempt to imprison and dehabilitate Poroshenko

post 198
1. The Euromaidan went a step further - due to US meddling - and became a full ouster of Yanukovych by Poroshenko.

2. What did Yanukovych do when he took power?
he jailed of ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko
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post 1. Zelensky going after opposition by claiming they provide "Russian disinformation"
and unifying under a state media instead

and more if i cared to look- this is not freedom of speech when you jail or indict your opposition
This is systemic corruption.

Freedom of movement and economic opportunity can be said to apply to many countries that are not democratic -neither is Uk.

I dont need to pick a side - i've already said Putin is using war crimes.

But what Im showing is we shoved him into it with no other recourse because of our meddling and
using Ukraine as a proxy war to go after Russia (pre-invasion) when Russia legit needs were sublimated
to the desires of Nuland, Kagan ,McCain etc. Same way we shoved him into the Russo-Sino alliance
with sanctions upon sanction.

Obama's own state dept and McCain (who wanted to bomb the entire planet) undermined his Russian reset
It led to the chain of events we are at now
 
dukkha said:
your way (demonization of Putin) led to war. utter fail.

I advocated negotiations, defusing tensions, treating Russian security needs as legit, and quit putting Putin in a box- which was a path away from war.. realpolitik, not dismissing Russia as "evil Empire"
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No one forced Putin into a war here. That is a myth you're trying to create. There was no "hyper" anything w/ regard to NATO, or any threat to Russia. He didn't decide to invade because he was "demonized." I mean, what kind of excuse is that?

And the Ukraine IS a democracy. All they wanted was to become a European style democratic country - more westernized, independent & with their own sovereignty. That's it. Putin didn't want that. He wasn't "pushed" on anything, or backed into a corner. He just missed the old Soviet Union. This is a war of nostalgia.

And I don't care about your lame, constant insults, btw. You don't have a leg to stand on w/ this one. You're trying to make excuses for a mass murderer, and it's not effective.
 
BartenderElite said:
No one forced Putin into a war here. That is a myth you're trying to create. There was no "hyper" anything w/ regard to NATO, or any threat to Russia. He didn't decide to invade because he was "demonized." I mean, what kind of excuse is that?

And the Ukraine IS a democracy. All they wanted was to become a European style democratic country - more westernized, independent & with their own sovereignty. That's it. Putin didn't want that. He wasn't "pushed" on anything, or backed into a corner. He just missed the old Soviet Union. This is a war of nostalgia.

And I don't care about your lame, constant insults, btw. You don't have a leg to stand on w/ this one. You're trying to make excuses for a mass murderer, and it's not effective.
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Agreed. You're trying to reason with a Putin cocksucker. Dookie will never unlatch his lips from Putin...even if Putin is capped in the head. He's like the Indian or Nepalese wives who throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. Dookie will be buried with Putin, lips still attached.
 
BartenderElite said:
No one forced Putin into a war here. That is a myth you're trying to create. There was no "hyper" anything w/ regard to NATO, or any threat to Russia. He didn't decide to invade because he was "demonized." I mean, what kind of excuse is that?

And the Ukraine IS a democracy. All they wanted was to become a European style democratic country - more westernized, independent & with their own sovereignty. That's it. Putin didn't want that. He wasn't "pushed" on anything, or backed into a corner. He just missed the old Soviet Union. This is a war of nostalgia.
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fuck off. Ukraine is corrupt
it has the trappings of democracy but the various post I showed it is far from such.

You can't understand the PREDICATE for war was set by NATO/US.
That in no way excuses the invasion by Putin
You are a simpleminded fool
 
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