Atheists more Intelligent

[Dutch Uncle]

All you have is deflection and name-calling now.

Disagreed. You don't want to talk like an adult. The discussion was Jesus the man and you keep going back to the divine thing like a child to candy.

Example:

It was caused when the universe before it farted this one into being. And before that universe, a universe had existed that farted it into existence.

There is an unending chain of universes past and the chain will continue indefinitely.

See how absurd I'm being? But it's no less absurd than to say that there is a magic person who created the universe.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Dutch Uncle is a troll.

Claims the child who says he has me on ignore.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Why does it have to be created?

it doesn't HAVE to be, but science tells us that it had a beginning.......if something had a beginning, something had to cause it.......there is no natural explanation, which leaves a supranatural one......

 

[jacksonsprat22]

it doesn't HAVE to be, but science tells us that it had a beginning.......if something had a beginning, something had to cause it.......there is no natural explanation, which leaves a supranatural one......

No. Big Bang is only the origin of the current status of our universe. Nothing about it having to have been caused by something else. All empirical.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Who created the god who created it? It becomes barbershop mirrors, a never-ending vision problem of what came first. The truth is man created god. He created lots of gods.

Nordie, who always publically disdains circular arguments, falls back on his own favorite circle........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Your problem. BigBang was not caused.

.....no, won't fly.......one second, no energy, no matter......the next second, a universe full of both......what happened in between....."oh, nuttin!"......

 

[Kamala Trump]

You're dumb.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

.....no, won't fly.......one second, no energy, no matter......the next second, a universe full of both......what happened in between....."oh, nuttin!"......

No. There is no measure of before Big Bang.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
You're the one claiming something exists. Until you can offer proof of your god, I see no reason to believe it exists.

that would only be true if some one was required to prove something to you...../.the reality is none of us cares whether you believe it or not........most of us think heaven will be a much better place if you aren't there......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No. There is no measure of before Big Bang.

"measure"........no, but there is a very basic scientific understanding that it wasn't the universe before it became the universe.....

 

[jacksonsprat22]

"measure"........no, but there is a very basic scientific understanding that it wasn't the universe before it became the universe.....

Not sure what you mean. The Big Bang only explains our current universe as evolving from that event.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Not sure what you mean. The Big Bang only explains our current universe as evolving from that event.

it marks the beginning of our universe.....whatever might have been before is NOT our universe

 

[Kamala Trump]

it marks the beginning of our universe.....whatever might have been before is NOT our universe

so it's none of our business?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

.....no, won't fly.......one second, no energy, no matter......the next second, a universe full of both......what happened in between....."oh, nuttin!"......

Close. https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_timeline.html

Obviously there is zero understanding of why all of that happened because there is zero evidence. We know it happened but don't know why.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

it marks the beginning of our universe.....whatever might have been before is NOT our universe

But the Big Bang says nothing about whether there is a before or not.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

so it's none of our business?

Not the business of science, no. And keep in mind, "God did it" is an evasion of reason.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not sure what you mean. The Big Bang only explains our current universe as evolving from that event.

Until it is disproven at some point in the future....

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Until it is disproven at some point in the future....

As with everything else in science.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

As with everything else in science.

Well, a lot of science. Some of it is reasonably well grounded and highly unlikely to change.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Well, a lot of science. Some of it is reasonably well grounded and highly unlikely to change.

No. All science.