College Football 2018 - minus the troll

WinterBorn said:
Notre Dame is in Indiana. If you divide the country into quadrants, it is in the northeast quadrant. The fact that it is not in New England does not change that.
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Come on, Indiana is the upper MidWest, certainly not the NE nor even the middle Atlantic States, and ND is the one private school with the money to make a playoff, the schools money, they are in a unique situation, only home college scene that is tourist attraction even if you care less about football
 
WinterBorn said:
The schools invested in their school, and many of them pay off big dividends. As you pointed out, those are the schools who win conferences, championships and go to bigger bowl games.
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They didn't invest in their schools, they invested in their football programs, they can, they are State schools, if the investment goes sour the State taxpayers will bail them out
 
WinterBorn said:
Schools in the northeast don't play in bigger bowl games, with bigger payouts.
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Ah, perhaps because they invest their money into the school rather than a football program

You just keep endorsing my point, it is all about the money, not the game, the money
 
WinterBorn said:
If you look at the 10 ten schools as far as money spent on football, not all make the playoffs. In fact, some of them can suck some years.

But the profits are there if they win.
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There is no profit, money made goes back into the football program, at best, athletic programs, guys on Sabin staff get a raise, did you think the money for Alabama football pays the Philosophy professor's salary
 
leaningright said:
I have to continually explain this to people. A program such as OU (of course include Alabama, Ohio State, etc.) is very self-sustaining.
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According to publications put out by those schools? And it not just what you think is self-sustaining, what if OSU, I know you didn't mean OU, loses money on football one year, or doesn't make the level to pay their army of coaches, who makes up the difference to finance next years team?
 
archives said:
They didn't invest in their schools, they invested in their football programs, they can, they are State schools, if the investment goes sour the State taxpayers will bail them out
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Earlier in this thread I linked an article in Forbes Magazine about the difference Nick Saban has made at the University of Alabama.

Did you read it?
 
archives said:
Ah, perhaps because they invest their money into the school rather than a football program

You just keep endorsing my point, it is all about the money, not the game, the money
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The game makes money. That is a good thing for the school. The fans spend lots and lots of money because of the game and the traditions.

Yes, you could invest in the school. Not a bad thing. But in 2008, Saban's second year as head coach, the University of Alabama made $32 million off merchandising. Any investment made by the schools you are talking about make $32 million in the second year?

It also does wonders for the cities in which the schools reside. The economic impact in Tuscaloosa runs to $17 to $18 million for each home game. The 2018 season had 7 home games. Even taking the lower number, that means the economic impact of Alabama Football ran to $119,000,000.00.

Any academic investments made by schools in the northeast provide $120 million for their city?
 
archives said:
According to publications put out by those schools? And it not just what you think is self-sustaining, what if OSU, I know you didn't mean OU, loses money on football one year, or doesn't make the level to pay their army of coaches, who makes up the difference to finance next years team?
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Once again I refer you to an article I posted a link for a while back. Not a publication put out by Alabama. Forbes magazine is well respected in financial circles.
 
archives said:
There is no profit, money made goes back into the football program, at best, athletic programs, guys on Sabin staff get a raise, did you think the money for Alabama football pays the Philosophy professor's salary
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The football team pays for itself and the coaching/staff salaries. It also supports the rest of the athletic dept. The last season I saw number for had the entire athletic dept covered and still had $11 million left.


Since you, apparently, didn't go to the link I provided before, I'll Copy & Paste some for you. So perhaps you will cease repeating things that I have answered already.

from: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristi...the-numbers-show-he-deserves-it/#7978dbbf5834

"Both the finances of the athletic department and the profile of the student body have seen positive impacts since Saban's arrival as well.

Key revenue categories are up significantly since fiscal year 2008, including ticket sales (32.5%), contributions (10.6%) and rights/licensing fees (208%). Overall, revenue is up 40.8%.

Although expenses have risen, they haven't risen as sharply as revenues. The Crimson Tide athletic department has seen expenses increase by 28.59% since Saban's hiring, including a 98.6% increase in coaching and staff salaries."

and

"In 2007, the year Saban arrived, Alabama's enrollment was 25,580. By 2017, that number had increased to 38,563. And in 2014, out-of-state students outnumbered in-state students for the first time in school history - a rarity for a state university. By 2017, only 41% of the freshman class came from Alabama.

The impact of sports success on out-of-state applications and enrollment has been well-documented. For example, in a study by economists Devin G. Pope and Jaren C. Pope titled "Understanding College Application Decisions: Why College Sports Success Matters," the researches concluded, "While a sports victory for a given school may not change the awareness of in-state students regarding its existence, the sports victory may present a significant shock in attention/awareness for out-of-state students." "

and

"For years, the impact has been dissected and discussed, even by university officials. The university put out a statement in 2017, ten years after Saban's arrival on campus applauding his contributions:

The University’s tremendous growth began about 14 years ago. Since that time, we have almost doubled enrollment, while also increasing the quality of our student body. This year more than 40 percent of our 7,559 freshmen scored a 30 or higher on the ACT, placing them in the top five percent in the country. The publicity and excitement generated by the legendary performance of Coach Saban and his teams over the last 10 years has certainly enhanced our efforts to recruit outstanding students by showcasing our commitment to excellence and our emphasis on success, both on and off the field.

Given that out-of-state students paid nearly $20,000 more annually in tuition at Alabama in 2017, the increase in interest from students outside of Alabama is significant. If all 38,563 students in 2017 were paying in-state tuition, the university would have seen $415.7 million in revenue. Make 59% of that student body out-of-state, and total tuition revenue becomes approximately $835.4 million. An oversimplification of a more complex system of tuition revenue that exists, but you get the point."
So, as you can see, the success of the Alabama football team has had a positive effect on every aspect of the University of Alabama.
 
Well done, Pierschbacher!

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First player in college football to start in 4 National Championship games.
 
WinterBorn said:
Once again I refer you to an article I posted a link for a while back. Not a publication put out by Alabama. Forbes magazine is well respected in financial circles.
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Here's an article, same source, same author, showing how even beginning to understand let alone interpret how schools report revenue from apathetic departments can be misleading, did you think some of these schools are going to show anything but justification for the money they spend on football?

And my point wasn't about schools that spend big bucks to have big teams is innately wrong, although it says a lot when the most famous thing a school as your alma mater is famous for is a football team, but rather these schools have made college football a semi-pro affair, the more money you spend, the better you are, not what is accomplished on the playing field. Amateurism doesn't exist, and as I've said before, there are probably less than a dozen schools in the country who even have the potential to make a playoff slot, even less of winning a final game

Enjoy your game tonight, Alabama will win, and half the country will have changed the station before half time
 
leaningright said:
I have to continually explain this to people. A program such as OU (of course include Alabama, Ohio State, etc.) is very self-sustaining.
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archives said:
According to publications put out by those schools? And it not just what you think is self-sustaining, what if OSU, I know you didn't mean OU, loses money on football one year, or doesn't make the level to pay their army of coaches, who makes up the difference to finance next years team?
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Are you drunk? LR is a fan of OU, and it also happened to be in the playoff. That, and he specifically made a parenthetical reference to OSU that was separate from OU. But, clearly, he couldn't have been talking about the Sooners...
 
Threedee said:
Are you drunk? LR is a fan of OU, and it also happened to be in the playoff. That, and he specifically made a parenthetical reference to OSU that was separate from OU. But, clearly, he couldn't have been talking about the Sooners...
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If you follow the Vegas line OU is Ohio University, Okla is Oklahoma, and how would I know what school he is a fan of
 
Threedee said:
Or, if you don't follow the Vegas line, you don't ever talk about Ohio University, and you refer to Oklahoma as OU.
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If you follow sports how could you not follow the Vegas line, you didn't think the NFL is so popular because of the game did you?
 
Threedee said:
Are you drunk? LR is a fan of OU, and it also happened to be in the playoff. That, and he specifically made a parenthetical reference to OSU that was separate from OU. But, clearly, he couldn't have been talking about the Sooners...
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Lol...he could put the letters “OU” in google. That’s OU. Ohio University is probably a fine school but doesn’t figure into many football conversations.
 
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