I was arrested at lunch..

Damocles said:
How many times have I heard "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."?

Usually from lawyers.
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Not only that, but would any lawyer actually take Jarods argument in front of a judge?

Jarod....

'But judge... he really really wasn't fair enforcing the law on me like that, he should have been really really nice to me and let me go. I know I was a dumbshit for not updating my license, but in the end that is the cops fault not mine. Why was he so mean to me?'

Judge...

'You do realize that all you have to do is show me some proof of your surgery and this charge will be dismissed.... don't you?'

Jarod...

' But I shouldn't have to. The cop was mean to me. Writing me a ticket and making me come to court for it'

Judge....

'Weren't you going to come to court anyway for speeding?'

Jarod...

'Yes, but that isn't the point. Where does the cop get off enforcing the laws of the state of Florida'?

Judge...

'you sir, are a dumbshit. No plea deal on your speeding ticket. Show me proof of your surgery or that one stands as well.'

Jarod....

'Fucking you judge... where do you get off doing your job?'

Judge...

'Bailiff... show him how you do your job... escort the dumbshit to a 5' x 7' '
 
Damocles said:
It works the same for employees of corporations and LLCs... The employee is never personally liable for actions taken within the framework of their job. The company is liable for that.

However if they take action outside the normal requisites of the job they are then liable.
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Not true here in Florida, the employee of a corporation AND the corporation would both be liable.
 
Superfreak said:
Not only that, but would any lawyer actually take Jarods argument in front of a judge?

Jarod....

'But judge... he really really wasn't fair enforcing the law on me like that, he should have been really really nice to me and let me go. I know I was a dumbshit for not updating my license, but in the end that is the cops fault not mine. Why was he so mean to me?'

Judge...

'You do realize that all you have to do is show me some proof of your surgery and this charge will be dismissed.... don't you?'

Jarod...

' But I shouldn't have to. The cop was mean to me. Writing me a ticket and making me come to court for it'

Judge....

'Weren't you going to come to court anyway for speeding?'

Jarod...

'Yes, but that isn't the point. Where does the cop get off enforcing the laws of the state of Florida'?

Judge...

'you sir, are a dumbshit. No plea deal on your speeding ticket. Show me proof of your surgery or that one stands as well.'

Jarod....

'Fucking you judge... where do you get off doing your job?'

Judge...

'Bailiff... show him how you do your job... escort the dumbshit to a 5' x 7' '
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Ive known the Judge for about 9 years, Ive been friends with him and his brother. He prases me every time Ive been before him. (although Ive never been before him as a defendant) I doubt it would go like this.

Plus, a friend of mine will be handeling this for me, I will not be present in the courtroom!
 
Jarod said:
Ive known the Judge for about 9 years, Ive been friends with him and his brother. He prases me every time Ive been before him. (although Ive never been before him as a defendant) I doubt it would go like this.

Plus, a friend of mine will be handeling this for me, I will not be present in the courtroom!
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So you wouldn't try to make the arugment from this thread in front of a judge? (or have your lawyer do so for you?)
 
Superfreak said:
So you wouldn't try to make the arugment from this thread in front of a judge? (or have your lawyer do so for you?)
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I would not, its not a legal argument. Sure the cop should not have enforced a law that he caught me with, on a loophole. But I agree, technically, I was in violation of the law, and thus would not make such an argument in a courtroom. My argument is a public policy argument.

I might, after the case was over, ask the judge to comment on the stupidity of having arrested me on this charge. I have already had the State Attorneys office make a complaint against the officer. They have called his chief and asked them to take a look at the policy and to be more reasonable with the cases they send in.
 
Frivilous ? It is the law. Don't whine to the cops boss for him partially enforcing the law.
Get the law changed.
 
uscitizen said:
Frivilous ? It is the law. Don't whine to the cops boss for him partially enforcing the law.
Get the law changed.
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The law should be reasonably enforced. If the cops arrested everyone for every crime they saw the crim. justice system would be a bigger mess than it currently is. When someone is clearly not intentionally breaking the law, and clearly not causing or potentially causing harm to anyone they should not be arrested.

There are tuns of laws not enforced.

I also agree the law should be corrected, but it should also be reasonably enforced. But I agree with you, I belive Ill call my congressman and ask him to both work on the law, and call the police chief.
 
LMAO...!

Jarod said:
I would not, its not a legal argument. Sure the cop should not have enforced a law that he caught me with, on a loophole. But I agree, technically, I was in violation of the law, and thus would not make such an argument in a courtroom. My argument is a public policy argument.

I might, after the case was over, ask the judge to comment on the stupidity of having arrested me on this charge. I have already had the State Attorneys office make a complaint against the officer. They have called his chief and asked them to take a look at the policy and to be more reasonable with the cases they send in.
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I would bet dollars to donuts this request from the State AG went right to 'file 13':cof1:
 
Battleborne said:
I would bet dollars to donuts this request from the State AG went right to 'file 13':cof1:
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Maybe, but I happen to know the guy from the SAO, who was not amused when he heard why I was cited, is a friend of the Chief of the Police department that cited me, so...
 
Jarod said:
Maybe, but if it stops this police department from issueing so many frivilous criminal complaints... It will be worth it.
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What a load of crap. You again assume that the cop should just "take your word for it" that you had surgery. Again, if that is the case, then you should work to remove the law requiring corrective lenses for those in need of them. Because everyone could simply say they had surgery and the cop would have to take their word for it.

Or you could just update your friggin license and quit whining like a little three year old throwing a tantrum.

There is nothing frivoulous about upholding the law.
 
Jarod said:
The law should be reasonably enforced. If the cops arrested everyone for every crime they saw the crim. justice system would be a bigger mess than it currently is. When someone is clearly not intentionally breaking the law, and clearly not causing or potentially causing harm to anyone they should not be arrested.

There are tuns of laws not enforced.

I also agree the law should be corrected, but it should also be reasonably enforced. But I agree with you, I belive Ill call my congressman and ask him to both work on the law, and call the police chief.
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If you whined or cried even to the 100th extent that you have here, I would not have shown you leniency. Also, AGAIN, it is NOT clear that you had surgery unless you had PROOF you had surgery. It was simply YOUR word. How can a cop "reasonably enforce" a law if the standard is that he has to let anyone go who CLAIMS they have had surgery?
 
Superfreak said:
What a load of crap. You again assume that the cop should just "take your word for it" that you had surgery. Again, if that is the case, then you should work to remove the law requiring corrective lenses for those in need of them. Because everyone could simply say they had surgery and the cop would have to take their word for it.

Or you could just update your friggin license and quit whining like a little three year old throwing a tantrum.

There is nothing frivoulous about upholding the law.
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It was frivilous to arrest me, it was obvious I can see.
 
Jarod said:
Maybe, but I happen to know the guy from the SAO, who was not amused when he heard why I was cited, is a friend of the Chief of the Police department that cited me, so...
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So what you are saying is that you are trying to use your connections to corrupt the system and get a cop in trouble with his superiors because you are pissed that he did his job and didn't let you go.

Weren't you just bitching about McCain using his influence to get leniency for his wife when she stole the drugs? I mean CLEARLY she had an addiction and they should have been lining up to help her rather than make her plea bargain and pay the center back. Why did they have to pick on her? CLEARLY she was no real threat to the system. They should have used more REASON when taking on her case and just let her walk. It was only a small crime.
 
Superfreak said:
So what you are saying is that you are trying to use your connections to corrupt the system and get a cop in trouble with his superiors because you are pissed that he did his job and didn't let you go.

Weren't you just bitching about McCain using his influence to get leniency for his wife when she stole the drugs? I mean CLEARLY she had an addiction and they should have been lining up to help her rather than make her plea bargain and pay the center back. Why did they have to pick on her? CLEARLY she was no real threat to the system. They should have used more REASON when taking on her case and just let her walk. It was only a small crime.
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Its clear to anyone with half a brain thats not what I am saying.
 
Jarod said:
It was frivilous to arrest me, it was obvious I can see.
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Wait a sec -- he didn't arrest you, did he?! He let you go, even let you continue driving, after giving you a ticket that he knew you'd contest. That's your strongest argument in court to have the ticket overturned.

Sorry, Jarod, I generally agree with you on many issues, but on this one I think SF's right.
 
Thorn said:
Wait a sec -- he didn't arrest you, did he?! He let you go, even let you continue driving, after giving you a ticket that he knew you'd contest. That's your strongest argument in court to have the ticket overturned.

Sorry, Jarod, I generally agree with you on many issues, but on this one I think SF's right.
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I have done some research on the term arrest. In a strcit technical way of looking at it its defined as an arrest. But in the normal conversational way we discuss things... it was not an arrest.

My record says arrest.
 
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