THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ANY GODS EXIST...

Fentoine Lum said:
Cute story.

This disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, … this perceptual reality, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the decedents of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of white consciousness pretty much, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by an economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

It’s useful for all of us to go back and study our tribal ancestry, go dig into how they got “civilized”, invariably, it was anything but civil, that’s the great lie, it was very brutal stuff, they had to be brutalized into “accepting” the proper perceptual reality, and thus consent. And so now that the colonialism has become globalism, the power structure no longer has any national affiliations at all. That’s for YOU to hold onto, again, because it will feed into the unsubstantial people’s fighting amongst themselves so the system doesn’t have to, and so that the unsubstantial people will line up to go to war and die in endless wars over resources and turf someone else sits on that the system covets. It’s really no different than the manner in which any street gang goes after turf.

We have been with our own consent and participation indoctrinated into submission, consent, and acceptance of this authoritarian system that runs on our energy and labor just as surely as we’ve all been indoctrinated into hating and distrusting the only possible allies we have in this authoritarian system.

The hour is late, the vote is meaningless, police departments have been militarized, and we’re all on the menu. All humanity needs to do is simply align across imaginary indoctrinated lines and withdraw consent. That’s where the power is, they have no power, all they have is authority, and they realize that is only an illusion too. That’s why they need force to hold it all together.
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When you cut and paste, it's usually considered good form to provide a link to where you found what you've posted. :good4u:
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Cute story.

This disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, … this perceptual reality, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the decedents of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of white consciousness pretty much, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by an economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

It’s useful for all of us to go back and study our tribal ancestry, go dig into how they got “civilized”, invariably, it was anything but civil, that’s the great lie, it was very brutal stuff, they had to be brutalized into “accepting” the proper perceptual reality, and thus consent. And so now that the colonialism has become globalism, the power structure no longer has any national affiliations at all. That’s for YOU to hold onto, again, because it will feed into the unsubstantial people’s fighting amongst themselves so the system doesn’t have to, and so that the unsubstantial people will line up to go to war and die in endless wars over resources and turf someone else sits on that the system covets. It’s really no different than the manner in which any street gang goes after turf.

We have been with our own consent and participation indoctrinated into submission, consent, and acceptance of this authoritarian system that runs on our energy and labor just as surely as we’ve all been indoctrinated into hating and distrusting the only possible allies we have in this authoritarian system.

The hour is late, the vote is meaningless, police departments have been militarized, and we’re all on the menu. All humanity needs to do is simply align across imaginary indoctrinated lines and withdraw consent. That’s where the power is, they have no power, all they have is authority, and they realize that is only an illusion too. That’s why they need force to hold it all together.
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the AMERICAN DEMOCRCY was designed to end such things that had persisted over mankinds history which did not just take place in the northern European ancestry.


think gengis con


this is a mankind thingy of male dominance

all societies relegated women to a lower status


why?


because women bare the physical brunt of bringing the next generation into existence.


Women had a tendency to DIE in childbirth

children had a tendency to die in child birth


men deemed them inferior to them because they were burdened by carring child in the times when there was no birth control


women were also unintentionally bred to be small.


what women got pregnant most?

the ones easier to rape

the small women

so the small women had more babies

that means their genes were carried to the next generation

small genes


this creates a world where testosterone rules


that means a more violent world


as 4 in 100 humans are sociopaths and that includes that statistic that out of that 4 one will be a woman and three will be males


guess what that means when you have an all male rules society?

more sociopaths in power


Now we know how to keep women and children from dying so frequently in childbirth


that means also that we don't allow rape

that means women are more in control of when they have sex and give birth


that means larger stronger women have a better chance of getting their genes promulgated into the future.


that means mankind gets bigger and stronger

both the males and the females


and that we can bring into the future the best and the brightest and not just make mankind trend towards the genes of those most "rapeable" for lack of a better term.

you menfolk need to face that the days of being able control women needs to end world wide


we are smarter now (all mankind) and know that its stupid to take half of mankinds talent and push it to the floor .


the way mankind moves to the next level includes what mankind actually started with.

and equally strong population of men and women.

a team


using the best of the effects of testosterone and estrogen on the body and mind to balance mankind equaly .

make us less violent and make us more embracing.





I really question your motivation to demean Democracy


you area either naïve or kinda russiany
 
evince said:
the AMERICAN DEMOCRCY was designed to end such things that had persisted over mankinds history which did not just take place in the northern European ancestry.


think gengis con


this is a mankind thingy of male dominance

all societies relegated women to a lower status


why?


because women bare the physical brunt of bringing the next generation into existence.


Women had a tendency to DIE in childbirth

children had a tendency to die in child birth


men deemed them inferior to them because they were burdened by carring child in the times when there was no birth control


women were also unintentionally bred to be small.


what women got pregnant most?

the ones easier to rape

the small women

so the small women had more babies

that means their genes were carried to the next generation

small genes


this creates a world where testosterone rules


that means a more violent world


as 4 in 100 humans are sociopaths and that includes that statistic that out of that 4 one will be a woman and three will be males


guess what that means when you have an all male rules society?

more sociopaths in power


Now we know how to keep women and children from dying so frequently in childbirth


that means also that we don't allow rape

that means women are more in control of when they have sex and give birth


that means larger stronger women have a better chance of getting their genes promulgated into the future.


that means mankind gets bigger and stronger

both the males and the females


and that we can bring into the future the best and the brightest and not just make mankind trend towards the genes of those most "rapeable" for lack of a better term.

you menfolk need to face that the days of being able control women needs to end world wide


we are smarter now (all mankind) and know that its stupid to take half of mankinds talent and push it to the floor .


the way mankind moves to the next level includes what mankind actually started with.

and equally strong population of men and women.

a team


using the best of the effects of testosterone and estrogen on the body and mind to balance mankind equaly .

make us less violent and make us more embracing.





I really question your motivation to demean Democracy


you area either naïve or kinda russiany
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"russiany" is in vogue now, might as well go with that. I would suggest you may have been gengis conned.
 
Frank Apisa said:
My specific question?

Actually, if you read my comments...it is not an actual question. It a request.

Here is my "specific" request of you:

Explain the mathematical proof to us...unless, of course, you are just taking the word of that blog that what the guy claims he did...he actually did.

Should be no problem for you. Right? (He asked with a healthy dose of sarcasm!)

Or...you could stop the bullshit and join evince and moi in a discussion of the topic. Love to have you as part of it. You seem like you may have interesting stuff to contribute.
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No, Right was what he used to call himself.
He wasn't right then either.
 
Dark Soul said:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm happily married to a young, beautiful, sensual woman, and still have my virility. We have a date tonight, dinner at home, then drive the '64 to dance lessons. What happens after that I'll leave up to your fertile imagination.
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Missionary position for just under four minutes.

Amirite?
 
Ralph said:
Logically speaking....answer this one question. Can you explain via using the laws of physics just what Caused the physical universe to come into physical reality? In other words if there is no "SUPER(superior) Natural (to nature) cause of the creation....where did the required products of the BIG BANG come from....mass/matter, it is beyond the capacity of natural physics to define its own creation then by logic....it must be a product of a superior force than physical reality. If not...why not? Did the universe create itself from NOTHING? Even if you attempt to theorize countless and untold "parallel" realities/universes...i.e., the multiverse theory....there must have been a beginning because physical science proves that the Universe is expanding and dying.

Call it what you will.....but according to the law of causality....SOMETHING SUPERIOR to the natural universe is responsible for its creation its physical existence...THE EFFECT known as physical reality. I simply accept my place as the inferior to that creating force an live my life as directed by both science and logic.

And by use of deductive reasoning based upon simple logic....that supernatural creating force is ETERNAL...unlike its product....the physical universe.

You may not be able to explain creation by science....but that does not stop the reality from existing, nor does your ignorance prohibit a supernatural force from existing...as its beyond the laws of physical science to quantify or calibrate. The created can never be greater than the whole from which it was subtracted......You might have a paradox....but I do not, I simply define truth via the prima facie evidences that surround us on a daily basis. Unlike you.....who needs to measure something he/she is incapable of measuring....I DO NOT need such objective evidence in oder to define truth beyond the reason of doubt....until YOU or anyone can scientifically present the objective, testable, reproducible, constant facts that debunk the existence of a supernatural creating force.....the prima facie evidence stands unchallenged by physics that cannot even comprehend the reasons that physical laws are as they are.......\

FYI: its not a matter of "blind faith"....its a matter of truth as defined via circumstantial evidences. Its exactly because you can't prove that God does not exist...that grants me the continued use of these prima facie evidences that are yet to be debunked by REAL PHYSICAL SCIENCE. Its nothing but pseudo science to suggest that theory, conjecture, and or speculation stands as scientific fact...when in reality its nothing but HUMAN PHILOSOPHY that exists only in one place...between the ears of someone who is suggesting it as truth that is yet to be proven....that my friend is the very definition of BLIND FAITH....propagating something as a HOPED FOR TRUTH void of having the physical factual evidence to support it. Yet your philosophy is superior those who use circumstantial evidences in order to test anything for truth?

Even in a court of law....prima facie evidences stand as valid evidence of convection until some Objective Testable Evidence is presented that proves the circumstantial evidence to be false.


There is no "rabbit hole" to enter.....when all the proof one requires is all around them. Simple things, like Love.....the inability of science to create life from nothing as they claim happened in the past...yet cannot reproduce today, if indeed it were a fact of science. Even a simple term like gravity.....as the only thing that can be defined about gravity is its quantifiable effects.....we know it exists by the fact its effects are subject to quantifiable reality...but some attempt to claim that GRAVITY preexisted the big bang and caused everything to come from nothing. Well....Mr. Hawking ....is GRAVITY nothing or is it Something? If it has the power to create...then it must be physically quantifiable and it is SOMETHING....where did gravity come from? Its your guild that has the paradox....not those who accept their place in this physical realm as being INFERIOR to that creating force....whether its called God or Nature.
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Poor Ralph.
The Big Bang theory is self explanatory.
Just as the present Universe is expanding, some day it compact...until it is so dense it explodes again.
It is a cycle.
A better question is where does the space it expands into come from?
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Cute story.

This disease, this way of looking at all life, and the planet, … this perceptual reality, rolled out over the tribes of Europe first. We are all the decedents of tribes and a spiritual perceptual reality of the universe and the creator. That memory has been wiped out of white consciousness pretty much, their enslavement having happened long before the disease rolled out across the rest of the planet via colonialism and proselytizing.

That perceptual reality was replaced with a male dominator god perceptual reality which gave rise to the notion that this male dominator god gave mankind, only the “chosen ones” mind you, dominion over the natural world, the planet, anything they “discovered”, and any other human beings they could manage to whip into consent. So you bring that into a technological perceptual reality era where we are now, and we’ve all been enslaved to/by an economic system that has no other purpose than to continue the colonialization of all human beings, further redistributing and concentrating wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer, much of that wealth coming from the natural world that was in place long before the humans who manipulate it into their own hands. In the same manner the system mines uranium or coal or gold, it also mines the energy, spirit, and soul of the human being to run these authoritarian systems that enslave us all. In essence, they mine the being part of the human being. Think about your own experiences in the corporate world if you have them.

And so all of this racism, classism, sexism, religion, et.al. arises from the system’s need to keep the masses quibbling amongst themselves. The same applies to the american political system; it is designed to prevent any gathering of the masses against the aristocracy. It’s an illusion, this democracy and liberty. You have ostensibly “two” political parties who very comfortably don’t really have to do anything at all except point at the “other” party and with your consent present them as evil and scary; disconnected from what? Well, they’re not “real” americans like you and they don’t bow as deeply to the male dominator god as you do. Again, go back and look at Bacon’s Rebellion and the aftermath. The power structure learned that lesson very well. The system also learned very well from the 60-70s / the Viet Nam War / Civil Rights era, the last large scale questioning of our authoritarian system. The beast is bigger and stronger now.

It’s useful for all of us to go back and study our tribal ancestry, go dig into how they got “civilized”, invariably, it was anything but civil, that’s the great lie, it was very brutal stuff, they had to be brutalized into “accepting” the proper perceptual reality, and thus consent. And so now that the colonialism has become globalism, the power structure no longer has any national affiliations at all. That’s for YOU to hold onto, again, because it will feed into the unsubstantial people’s fighting amongst themselves so the system doesn’t have to, and so that the unsubstantial people will line up to go to war and die in endless wars over resources and turf someone else sits on that the system covets. It’s really no different than the manner in which any street gang goes after turf.

We have been with our own consent and participation indoctrinated into submission, consent, and acceptance of this authoritarian system that runs on our energy and labor just as surely as we’ve all been indoctrinated into hating and distrusting the only possible allies we have in this authoritarian system.

The hour is late, the vote is meaningless, police departments have been militarized, and we’re all on the menu. All humanity needs to do is simply align across imaginary indoctrinated lines and withdraw consent. That’s where the power is, they have no power, all they have is authority, and they realize that is only an illusion too. That’s why they need force to hold it all together.
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interesting.......none of it is true, but it does serve to show us where you stand.....
 
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