We can’t have a president under indictment!

Ross Dolan said:
TA...when I was in SAC...I held a Top Secret clearance.

If you think Joe Biden acted the same way Trump did when asked to return documents that were required to be returned...you are just wrong.
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That's irrelevant. Biden took the documents. He held them for years in many cases. He showed them to unauthorized persons. Just because he gave them back when caught means NOTHING! You should know that.

Do they let bank robbers go if they give the money back when caught? Same thing. Biden is culpable and should have been charged, but he wasn't.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's irrelevant. Biden took the documents. He held them for years in many cases. He showed them to unauthorized persons. Just because he gave them back when caught means NOTHING! You should know that.

Do they let bank robbers go if they give the money back when caught? Same thing. Biden is culpable and should have been charged, but he wasn't.
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What is IRRELEVANT is your opinion Terry.

Here is the opinion that matters as this TRUMP APPOINTED Prosecutor said he found no crime...

...Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors would likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons. Both when he served as vice president and when the Afghanistan documents were found in Mr. Biden's Delaware garage in 2022, his possession of them in his Delaware home was not a basis for prosecution because as vice president and president, he had authority to keep classified documents in his home. ...

...In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute...


...We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to recommend prosecution of Mr. Biden...


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was not a basis for prosecution because as vice president and president, he had authority to keep classified documents in his home

If that's the case, then why is different for Trump who as president had the same exact authority?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
was not a basis for prosecution because as vice president and president, he had authority to keep classified documents in his home

If that's the case, then why is different for Trump who as president had the same exact authority?
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Stop lying Terry.

You know that answer which has been told to you many times.

Trump OBSTRUCTED and refused to give the material back which neither Pence nor Biden did.

If you obstruct law enforcement, lie and have false declarations presented to government to cover up what you took, so you can keep it, you can expect charges even if having those documents originally would NOT bring charges.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Doesn't matter. He should have been charged. He had those documents for years.
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Why? for what crime?

T. A. Gardner said:
He knowingly took them.
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Prove it

T. A. Gardner said:
He admitted to showing them to persons not authorized to see them.
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Prove it
T. A. Gardner said:
He stored them at his house and elsewhere in unsecure and unauthorized locations.

Do you really think he should be let off because when he was caught after doing all that he cooperated? Trump cooperated and look what it got him.
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Trump did not cooperate. He refused to return the documents.
T. A. Gardner said:
Your excuse for Biden is absolute bullshit.
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Your excuse for Trump is absolute bullshit.
 
QP! said:
Stop lying Terry.

You know that answer which has been told to you many times.

Trump OBSTRUCTED and refused to give the material back which neither Pence nor Biden did.

If you obstruct law enforcement, lie and have false declarations presented to government to cover up what you took, so you can keep it, you can expect charges even if having those documents originally would NOT bring charges.
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This is nothing but a "Masked man" fallacy using Liebniz's Law. That is, you have two cases (or more) of mishandling of classified documents under the law. There is no question they were mishandled. You then resort to finding differences in the cases to claim one is chargable as a crime while the other is not. That uses Liebniz's law against the outcomes where you in essence argue because the cases are not identical, they have to be rejected in some cases and allowed in others.

In a sense, it is just a trivial objection and hair splitting.

Obstruction is separate from mishandling the documents themselves. Biden knowingly took them. He did that with intent and knowledge. He then mishandled them by not properly safeguarding them. Further, he admitted to showing them to unauthorized persons. All of that is chargable as crimes under US law on classified documents.

You try to say because Biden gave the documents back willingly there was no harm or foul. There was. Biden is chargable. Pince is chargable. Hillery Clinton is chargable. That they weren't while Trump was, speaks volumes to his being singled out for revenge and political gain by his opponents.

I seriously--very seriously--doubt that ANY of what we see happening to Trump today would have occurred had he not decided to run for a second term.
 
zappasguitar said:
Why? for what crime?
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Mishandling and stealing classified government documents.
zappasguitar said:
Prove it
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I already have
zappasguitar said:
Prove it
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Same answer.
zappasguitar said:
Trump did not cooperate. He refused to return the documents.

Your excuse for Trump is absolute bullshit.
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Cooperation or not is irrelevant to the crime of having taken the documents to begin with, mishandling them after stealing them, allowing unauthorized persons access to them, and then storing them in an unapproved location. All of that is chargable, and normally is with any normal schmuck like me or you.

I remember one case where a sailor took a reactor plant manual (these are classified confidential a low-level classification) home to study so he could get qualified and promoted faster. No bad intentions. He showed the manual to no one. Upon getting caught bringing it back on the ship, he cooperated fully. He was still charged and convicted of mishandling classified documents. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of similar cases where some person mishandled classified documents and was criminally charged.

Biden and Clinton are both chargable for what they did.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's irrelevant. Biden took the documents. He held them for years in many cases. He showed them to unauthorized persons. Just because he gave them back when caught means NOTHING! You should know that.

Do they let bank robbers go if they give the money back when caught? Same thing. Biden is culpable and should have been charged, but he wasn't.
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Well, there are people who know more about the law than either of us who think he should NOT have been charged.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This is nothing but a "Masked man" fallacy using Liebniz's Law. That is, you have two cases (or more) of mishandling of classified documents under the law. There is no question they were mishandled. You then resort to finding differences in the cases to claim one is chargable as a crime while the other is not. That uses Liebniz's law against the outcomes where you in essence argue because the cases are not identical, they have to be rejected in some cases and allowed in others.

In a sense, it is just a trivial objection and hair splitting.

Obstruction is separate from mishandling the documents themselves. Biden knowingly took them. He did that with intent and knowledge. He then mishandled them by not properly safeguarding them. Further, he admitted to showing them to unauthorized persons. All of that is chargable as crimes under US law on classified documents.

You try to say because Biden gave the documents back willingly there was no harm or foul. There was. Biden is chargable. Pince is chargable. Hillery Clinton is chargable. That they weren't while Trump was, speaks volumes to his being singled out for revenge and political gain by his opponents.

I seriously--very seriously--doubt that ANY of what we see happening to Trump today would have occurred had he not decided to run for a second term.
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No Terry, what we have is a Trump and Bill Barr picked Republican prosecutor who investigated this with unobstructed access who said there was no crime to charge. NONE.

And on the other hand we have you, Terry, saying "i know better and it was a clear crime'.

That is because you are stupid Terry.
 
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