What is the difference between the old and new covenant ? Frank

Ralph said:
Not one word did pass away......until Jesus the Christ declared, "IT IS FINISHED." -- John 19:30. Since that time we are no longer bound by the Laws of Moses. In reality not one Gentile was ever bound to the Laws of Moses as the Old Law was specific to the nation of Biblical Israel only. The Sabbath was a unique covenant between Israel and God the Father, not to any other nation on earth -- Ez. 20:5, 10-12.
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Israel and the church are one and the same, God's holy nation.
 
Old Trapper said:
You see, you want to believe that the Law still exists as if Christ did not fulfill the law with His sacrifice so that we are no longer under the burden of the law. Do you wish to make Christs sacrifice of no effect?
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"Fulfilling" the law is not doing away with the law. Just the opposite, Jesus can't fulfill a law that has been eliminated.
 
Old Trapper said:
Why do you wish to cherry pick the scripture in order to suit your own belief system?
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I do not do "believing."

I make guesses...and call them guesses; or suppositions and call them suppositions; I have opinions and call them opinions.

Scripture says "There is no God". Do you believe that also?
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I do not do "believing"...and I do not care what "scripture" says. "Scripture" is what ancient, superstitious, relatively ignorant people blindly guessed about the REALITY of existence. It is my opinion that anyone still using those blind guesses as a basis for their blind guesses...is an asshole.

You see, you want to believe that the Law still exists as if Christ did not fulfill the law with His sacrifice so that we are no longer under the burden of the law. Do you wish to make Christs sacrifice of no effect?
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We are having a discussion in an Internet forum.

If you think I must conform to your blind guesses about the REALITY of existence...I am going to tell you to go fuck yourself.

I will ask you what I asked the other guy: What the hell does "Christ fulfilled the law" fucking mean?

And if God had not wanted Trump in office to perform whatever God has planned, who are you to say He could not have stopped him from being elected?
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I am NOT saying that...so stop pretending that I did.

I asked a question.

Read the goddam question...and answer it if you want.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
Jesus told you that you are still obligated to the old covenant.
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that is the exact opposite of the truth.......I've already given you the verse in which he created the new covenant......
 
Bobb said:
Of course not. The Church is the Israel of God, not a state of Jesus-haters.
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How exactly is that relevant? The destruction of the Temple changed Judaism .. It was the end of blood sacrifice.. it was then end of Jewish dominion and the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism.
 
kudzu said:
Then how could it be inerrant?

Do you believe that the patriarchs lived hundreds of years or do you look at their counting system?
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First, the Bible is infallible, not inerrant.....
Second, the errors occur in human translation, not in the word of God.....
Third, yes......I believe the patriarchs lived hundreds of years due to the direct actions of God.......
 
Frank Apisa said:
Juezzzusss H. Keerist, Wolverine...are you telling us that your god is responsible for that bag of garbage now sitting in the Oval Office.

Have you no respect for your god at all?
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Yes he allowed the President who is currently trying to save our nation from the Socialist / globalists. He is not perfect but much less evil then whom he was running against.
 
Wolverine said:
Yes he allowed the President who is currently trying to save our nation from the Socialist / globalists. He is not perfect but much less evil then whom he was running against.
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Horse shit.

If your god is the reason that abomination is in office...you should be pissing on it rather than kneeling before it.

Donald Trump is the worst president we've ever had...and I suspect Hillary Clinton could have been one of the best.

Fuck you...your idiotic conservatism...and your god.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Horse shit.

If your god is the reason that abomination is in office...you should be pissing on it rather than kneeling before it.

Donald Trump is the worst president we've ever had...and I suspect Hillary Clinton could have been one of the best.

Fuck you...your idiotic conservatism...and your god.
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What you suspect proves, exactly who you are, a sore loser hilbot who thinks socialism is good, History has decided different.
You are evil your speech proves it. How much more money do you send the government then what they take, how many illegal immigrants have you taken in to support, how many student loans have you voluntarily agreed to pay off for other peoples kids, how do you even serve your community. I doubt you do even one of those things while asking everyone else to. Now go on a rant, and tell me how virtuous you are so I can laugh at another lie.
 
Wolverine said:
What you suspect proves, exactly who you are, a sore loser hilbot who thinks socialism is good, History has decided different.
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Me? A sore loser?

Fuck you, cocksucker.


You are evil your speech proves it.
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Me? Evil?

Fuck you, cocksucker.

How much more money do you send the government then what they take, how many illegal immigrants have you taken in to support, how many student loans have you voluntarily agreed to pay off for other peoples kids, how do you even serve your community. I doubt you do even one of those things while asking everyone else to. Now go on a rant, and tell me how virtuous you are so I can laugh at another lie.
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Fuck you, cocksucker.


AMERICAN CONSERVATISM:

Without "Christian" assholes like this...the American conservatives could hold a national convention in a local Elks Club.

People like Wolverine are what makes up the core of the Republican Party.

Losers all.

But I am enjoying the entertainment, Wolverine. Thanks for being too stupid to jump out while I am still having fun with you.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Me? A sore loser?

Fuck you, cocksucker.




Me? Evil?

Fuck you, cocksucker.



Fuck you, cocksucker.


AMERICAN CONSERVATISM:

Without "Christian" assholes like this...the American conservatives could hold a national convention in a local Elks Club.

People like Wolverine are what makes up the core of the Republican Party.

Losers all.

But I am enjoying the entertainment, Wolverine. Thanks for being too stupid to jump out while I am still having fun with you.
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:laugh: didn't answer my questions loser. I spit my coffee out laughing at this one, trying to salvage victory after being scripturaly curb stomped, it's ok your ilk do it all the time boy.
 
Wolverine said:
:laugh: didn't answer my questions loser. I spit my coffee out laughing at this one, trying to salvage victory after being scripturaly curb stomped, it's ok your ilk do it all the time boy.
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We are both having a ball then.

Great.

Let's keep at it.

I am laughing my ass off at you...and you are laughing your ass off at me.

Great for the health of us both.

And I can keep at this without tiring! I hope you can also.

This is terrific.

Oh...if you are going to ask a question...YOU REALLY GOTTA USE A QUESTION MARK AS PUNCTUATION.

Do you know what a punctuation mark is?

Look at the end of that last sentence (which was a question)...and the punctuation at the end is a question mark.

See...we can even help each other. I can correct your abysmal grammar and English usage...and you can...uhhhh...well, you can go fuck yourself, cocksucker.
 
Wolverine said:
What you suspect proves, exactly who you are, a sore loser hilbot who thinks socialism is good, History has decided different.
You are evil your speech proves it. How much more money do you send the government then what they take, how many illegal immigrants have you taken in to support, how many student loans have you voluntarily agreed to pay off for other peoples kids, how do you even serve your community. I doubt you do even one of those things while asking everyone else to. Now go on a rant, and tell me how virtuous you are so I can laugh at another lie.
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LOLOL.. You INVENT a threat of socialism and then elect Trump? Trump manipulates you with lies and fear.

Are you a grown man?
 
Frank Apisa said:
I do not do "believing."

I make guesses...and call them guesses; or suppositions and call them suppositions; I have opinions and call them opinions.



I do not do "believing"...and I do not care what "scripture" says. "Scripture" is what ancient, superstitious, relatively ignorant people blindly guessed about the REALITY of existence. It is my opinion that anyone still using those blind guesses as a basis for their blind guesses...is an asshole.



We are having a discussion in an Internet forum.

If you think I must conform to your blind guesses about the REALITY of existence...I am going to tell you to go fuck yourself.

I will ask you what I asked the other guy: What the hell does "Christ fulfilled the law" fucking mean?



I am NOT saying that...so stop pretending that I did.

I asked a question.

Read the goddam question...and answer it if you want.
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If you do not believe then what the fuck are you doing in this discussion with your bull shit? No answer is going to satisfy your hatred for Christ since you "don't do believing".
 
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