Where America's jobs went

So that would be the same as laughing about someone who lived as a slave criticizing slavery. We're all captive to the globalist elitist banker system. We all should be criticizing it too, uncle tom.

If you want to make corporations out to be the great evil, you shouldn't be enjoying a successful career working for them, enjoying the cheaper insurance rates they provide, and generally not working to fill their coffers.

The difference between reality and your analogy is that the slave does not have a choice. Bfoon chose to work for a corporation.
 
If you want to make corporations out to be the great evil, you shouldn't be enjoying a successful career working for them, enjoying the cheaper insurance rates they provide, and generally not working to fill their coffers.

The difference between reality and your analogy is that the slave does not have a choice. Bfoon chose to work for a corporation.

People have to work for money for food. You keep sucking corporate cock and loving it, you sold out fascist dick smoker. Others can think critically.
 
Asshat was laid off 4x.
I'm not shocked he hates corporations.
And I'm not shocked he's too fucking lazy to work for himself or a small company.
 
People have to work for money for food. You keep sucking corporate cock and loving it, you sold out fascist dick smoker. Others can think critically.

Oh, so I sold out but Bfoon didn't?

He could have worked for someone other than one of the largest corporations in the country. He could have chosen to do something else. He didn't.
 
They wanted the power in the hands of the people, not corporations or the government. The underlined part is what you choose to ignore.

But back to my question, please explain how this anti-business rant applies to what SF said? Other than some extremist conservatives, none of what you are claiming is based in fact. You want it to seem as though conservatives are against any gov't function, at any level, except for the military and the police. That is utter nonsense.

Yes, Reagan did say that. And that quote is about the countless times the gov't stuck its nose into our lives and made things worse. Do you actually claim that the gov't does no harm?


And when the gov't becomes the predator?? When they form these gov'ts they have no comprehension of the bureaucratic monster it will become.

This is nonsense.

Is this what mainstream conservatives are saying? No, it is not. But you are all ready to destroy corporations and hand all these functions over to the bureaucrats who have never accomplished anything except to get elected to office. Nice. lol

Please don't start the right wing attention deficit disorder symptom of hacking up my posts. Use the adult method of composing paragraphs.

If you read the founding documents, We the people ARE the government. Corporations are not even mentioned as having ANY power.

Irony abounds here. YOU are the people who NEVER, EVER call out corporations...EVER. And you have the temerity to accuse me of blindness by underlining government

WHAT did our founding fathers create? I will give you the first letter: G _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

American citizens in New Orleans back in 2005 were DYING to hear the words: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." But because Bush so loathed government, he had a totally incompetent lackey running FEMA. The first government agents New Orleans citizens heard utter the words "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" were from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police from Vancouver British Columbia, CANADA!
 
I critisize corps all the time, and gov regulators even worse.

The fucking clowns at the sec are too busy watching porn to flag backs selling dog shit wrapped in pink bows as real mortgages.
And your beloved politicians in both parties gave away the farm to the crooks. Yeah, we need much more of that.
 
you have to be the biggest hypocrite on the board.
Make a fine living from one of the iconic american corps then bash them like a wife who cheated on you.
Good looking out BFGED
what other countries could you make that kind of dough on a shitty high school education?

Keep up your Monica Lewinsky worship of corporations. It makes you totally blind to the REAL world and business synergy and symbiosis. I returned to Caterpillar more than they invested. So I could claim they stole from me...LOL
 
Please don't start the right wing attention deficit disorder symptom of hacking up my posts. Use the adult method of composing paragraphs.

If you read the founding documents, We the people ARE the government. Corporations are not even mentioned as having ANY power.

Irony abounds here. YOU are the people who NEVER, EVER call out corporations...EVER. And you have the temerity to accuse me of blindness by underlining government

WHAT did our founding fathers create? I will give you the first letter: G _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

American citizens in New Orleans back in 2005 were DYING to hear the words: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." But because Bush so loathed government, he had a totally incompetent lackey running FEMA. The first government agents New Orleans citizens heard utter the words "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" were from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police from Vancouver British Columbia, CANADA!

What does it matter HOW I compose my answers? You see what you want to see and ignore everything else. And you have already decided what I believe, what I have done, and what I will do. Actually, I cannot understand why you even look for discussions here.

You say I never, ever call out corporations? That statement alone shows your absolute ignorance. Did you think about asking if I had before making such a stupid statement?

Yes, the people of New Orleans were dying to hear those words. And if the governor of Louisianna and the Mayor of New Orleans had requested aid before the storm hit (as the gov of MS and AL did, and numerous mayors did) the federal aid would have been on standby. But the feds cannot send in military aid without it being specifically requested by the states.

Our founding fathers made sure of that.
 
bfged do yourself a favor and tell your kids to get an education.
Caterpiller prob only hire graduates and not snake oil salesman these days.
 
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Keep up your Monica Lewinsky worship of corporations. It makes you totally blind to the REAL world and business synergy and symbiosis. I returned to Caterpillar more than they invested. So I could claim they stole from me...LOL

You returned more? You sold a product that they made. You fed at the corporate trough for decades, and now you want to complain about them?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Bfoon.
 
I'll give you a critisism I've made 100x but you ged's don't get it.
I've railed for more power to the shareholders to limit CEO and boardmembers pay.
I'm not hip to some country club good ole boy's club getting paid 250 large to sit in on qtrly meetings.

BFGED wouldn't even get hired today by cat
 
what is one of your corporate criticisms, winterborn?

I have picketed two corporations over their environmental policies. I have fought against gender discrimination, worker's comp fraud, and lost a job because I wouldn't follow the company line when I thought it was morally wrong.

How about you asshat, what have you done?
 
I have picketed two corporations over their environmental policies. I have fought against gender discrimination, worker's comp fraud, and lost a job because I wouldn't follow the company line when I thought it was morally wrong.

How about you asshat, what have you done?


I have walked away from omelas.
 
Let's see...should I believe someone who actually participated in the Boston Tea Party, or should I believe a dogma filled pea brain who must believe Ronald Reagan preceded George Washington as president?

Tough choice...

What the fuck are you rambling about now?

Tell us genius... how many of the founding fathers were on that ship? How many participated in the dumping of the tea?

Do you really think that the Boston Tea Party was the be all end all in what our founding fathers believed? Or do you think those little things like the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution might also provide some evidence as to what they believed?

I note that once again, you divert the topic rather than actually ADDRESS any of the points that have been made.
 
Let's see...should I believe someone who actually participated in the Boston Tea Party, or should I believe a dogma filled pea brain who must believe Ronald Reagan preceded George Washington as president?

Tough choice...

side note... moronic straw men like the above once again shows the board what a truly retarded and desperate moron you really are
 
What does it matter HOW I compose my answers? You see what you want to see and ignore everything else. And you have already decided what I believe, what I have done, and what I will do. Actually, I cannot understand why you even look for discussions here.

You say I never, ever call out corporations? That statement alone shows your absolute ignorance. Did you think about asking if I had before making such a stupid statement?

Yes, the people of New Orleans were dying to hear those words. And if the governor of Louisianna and the Mayor of New Orleans had requested aid before the storm hit (as the gov of MS and AL did, and numerous mayors did) the federal aid would have been on standby. But the feds cannot send in military aid without it being specifically requested by the states.

Our founding fathers made sure of that.

KATRINA TIMELINE


Friday, August 26

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA [Office of the Governor]

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honor©, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]

Saturday, August 27

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI [Office of the Governor]

5AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]

Sunday, August 28

2AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

7AM CDT — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

MORNING — LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE: “Forecasters Fear Levees Won’t Hold Katrina”: “Forecasters feared Sunday afternoon that storm driven waters will lap over the New Orleans levees when monster Hurricane Katrina pushes past the Crescent City tomorrow.” [Lafayette Daily Advertiser]

nagin.jpg 9:30 AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS: “We’re facing the storm most of us have feared,” said Nagin. “This is going to be an unprecedented event.” [Times-Picayune]

AFTERNOON — BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR: Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center: “‘We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’” [Times-Picayune; St. Petersburg Times]

4PM CDT — NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES SPECIAL HURRICANE WARNING: In the event of a category 4 or 5 hit, “Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer. … At least one-half of well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed. … Power outages will last for weeks. … Water shortages will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.” [National Weather Service]

LATE PM — REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE: “Waves crashed atop the exercise path on the Lake Pontchartrain levee in Kenner early Monday as Katrina churned closer.” [Times-Picayune]

APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune]

LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD REQUESTS 700 BUSES FROM FEMA FOR EVACUATIONS: FEMA sends only 100 buses. [Boston Globe]

Monday, August 29

7AM CDT — KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

7:30 AM CDT — BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 “government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees” were breached. [AP]

8AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: “I’ve gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we’ve had one of our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant flooding, it is just a matter of how much.” [NBC's "Today Show"]

11:13 AM CDT – WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: “Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city.” [AP]

MORNING — BROWN WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVASTATION OF KATRINA: In a briefing, Brown warned Bush, “This is, to put it mildly, the big one, I think.” He also voiced concerns that the government may not have the capacity to “respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe” and that the Superdome was ill-equipped to be a refuge of last resort. [AP]

MORNING — MAYFIELD WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE TOPPING OF THE LEVEES: In the same briefing, Max Mayfield, National Hurricane Center Director, warns, “This is a category 5 hurricane, very similar to Hurricane Andrew in the maximum intensity, but there’s a big big difference. This hurricane is much larger than Andrew ever was. I also want to make absolutely clear to everyone that the greatest potential for large loss of lives is still in the coastal areas from the storm surge. … I don’t think anyone can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not, but there’s obviously a very very grave concern.” [AP]

MORNING — BUSH CALLS SECRETARY CHERTOFF TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION: “I spoke to Mike Chertoff today — he’s the head of the Department of Homeland Security. I knew people would want me to discuss this issue [immigration], so we got us an airplane on — a telephone on Air Force One, so I called him. I said, are you working with the governor? He said, you bet we are.” [White House]

MORNING — BUSH SHARES BIRTHDAY CAKE PHOTO-OP WITH SEN. JOHN MCCAIN [White House]
mccainbirthday.jpg


11AM CDT — MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY REQUESTS THAT DHS DISPATCH 1,000 EMPLOYEES TO REGION, GIVES THEM TWO DAYS TO ARRIVE: “Brown’s memo to Chertoff described Katrina as ‘this near catastrophic event’ but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, ‘Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities.’” [AP]

LATE MORNING — LEVEE BREACHED: “A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new ‘hurricane proof’ Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina’s fiercest winds were well north.” [Times-Picayune]

11AM CDT — BUSH VISITS ARIZONA RESORT TO PROMOTE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: “This new bill I signed says, if you’re a senior and you like the way things are today, you’re in good shape, don’t change. But, by the way, there’s a lot of different options for you. And we’re here to talk about what that means to our seniors.” [White House]

4:30PM CDT — BUSH TRAVELS TO CALIFORNIA SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT: “We’ve got some folks up here who are concerned about their Social Security or Medicare. Joan Geist is with us. … I could tell — she was looking at me when I first walked in the room to meet her, she was wondering whether or not old George W. is going to take away her Social Security check.” [White House]

8PM CDT — RUMSFELD ATTENDS SAN DIEGO PADRES BASEBALL GAME: Rumsfeld “joined Padres President John Moores in the owner’s box…at Petco Park.” [Editor & Publisher]

8PM CDT — GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH: “Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you’ve got.” [Newsweek]

LATE PM — BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO’S REQUESTS [Newsweek]

Tuesday, August 30

11AM CDT — BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO [White House]

MIDDAY — CHERTOFF CLAIMS HE FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED: “It was on Tuesday that the levee–may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday–that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city.” But later reports note that the Bush administration learned of the levee breach on Aug. 29. [Meet the Press, 9/4/05; AP]

PENTAGON CLAIMS THERE ARE ENOUGH NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN REGION: “Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs.” [WWL-TV]

MASS LOOTING REPORTED, SECURITY SHORTAGE CITED: “The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked,” Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. “We’re using exhausted, scarce police to control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while we still have people on rooftops.” [AP]

U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: “The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan’s hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty.” [Chicago Tribune]

2PM CDT — PRESIDENT BUSH PLAYS GUITAR WITH COUNTRY SINGER MARK WILLIS [AP]
bushguitar.jpg


BUSH RETURNS TO CRAWFORD FOR FINAL NIGHT OF VACATION [AP]

Wednesday, August 31


1:45AM CDT — FEMA REQUESTS AMBULANCES THAT DO NOT EXIST: “Almost 18 hours later, [FEMA] canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, ‘the DOT doesn’t do ambulances.’” [Wall Street Journal]

11:20 AM CDT — FEMA STAFF WARNED BROWN THAT PEOPLE WERE DYING AT THE SUPERDOME: Three hours later, Brown’s press secretary wrote to colleagues complaining that Brown needed more time scheduled to eat at a restaurant: “He needs much more that (sic) 20 or 30 minutes. We now have traffic to encounter to go to and from a location of his choise (sic), followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc. Thank you.” [AP]

NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARRIVE IN LOUSIANA, MISSISSIPPI, ALABAMA, AND FLORIDA: Troops arrive two days after they are requested. [Boston Globe]
 
Yes... our founding fathers didn't despise government, they were state builders. They despised abuse of power, whether it was by a king, a parliament or a corporation.

NO ONE.... NOT ONE PERSON ON THIS BOARD SAID THEY DESPISED GOVERNMENT YOU FUCKING MORON. I stated they did not like a CENTRALIZED FEDERAL government. You do know the difference don't you?

It was Reagan who began the deliberate and intentional destruction of the United States of America when he famously cracked (and then incessantly repeated): "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Reagan, like George W. Bush after him, failed to understand that when people come together into community, and then into nationhood, that they organize themselves to protect themselves from predators, both human and corporate, both domestic and foreign. This form of organization is called government.

ROFLMAO.... again diverting the topic are you? Now we are going to drift into discussing Reagan specifically?

See assmunch.... it is Bfgrn that continues diverting the thread from one topic to the next.
 
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