Pat Toomey: Background Checks Died Because GOP Didn't Want To Help Obama

Because it wouldn't STOP any. Any unscrupulous person would just ignore the law entirely anyways. If you can find me a SINGLE instance of a criminal, who would not ordinarily pass a background check, buying a gun privately and then using it to commit a crime, I will recant my previous statement.

Gun shows linked to the Pentagon Shooting:

  • In March 2010, John Bedell – who was prohibited by law from possessing guns – shot two Pentagon police officers with a gun purchased from a private seller at a Las Vegas gun show.



The gun show loophole facilitates sales to criminals:

  • 30% of trafficking: One ATF study found that over 10,000 crime guns traced in a year were connected to gun shows – about 30% of all crime guns traced that year.

  • “Gun shows and flea markets are a major venue for illegal trafficking.” according to the ATF.

  • Columbine: All four guns used in the Columbine school massacre were bought at gun shows without background checks.

  • New York City’s investigation of gun shows: In 2009, the City of New York sent undercover investigators to gun shows in Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada to find out if private sellers and federally licensed gun dealers at the shows would engage in illegal sales practices. They found that 74% of sellers approached by investigators, who verbally indicated they were legally prohibited from having guns, were willing to make the sale.



Where do crime guns come from?

Virtually every gun starts out as a legally manufactured product, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) points to three common ways guns move from legal distribution channels to the criminal market:

  • Corrupt federally licensed gun dealers: Federally licensed gun dealers send more guns to the criminal market than any other single source. Nearly 60% of the guns used in crime are traced back to a small number—just 1.2%—of crooked gun dealers. Corrupt dealers frequently have high numbers of missing guns, in many cases because they’re selling guns “off the books” to private sellers and criminals. In 2005, the ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 “missing” firearms.

  • Straw purchasing: Straw purchasing is the most common way criminals get guns, accounting for almost 50% of trafficking investigations. A straw purchaser is someone with a clean record who buys guns on behalf of someone legally prohibited from possessing guns. Straw purchasers are often the friends, relatives, spouses or girlfriends of prohibited purchasers. The two Columbine High School shooters recruited friends to buy guns for them at Colorado gun shows. One of the buyers admitted she would not have bought the guns if she had been required to submit to a background check.

  • Gun Shows and private gun sales: Gun shows have been called “Tupperware parties for criminals” because they attract large numbers of prohibited buyers. A loophole in federal law allows unlicensed or “private” sellers, many of whom work out of gun shows, to lawfully sell or transfer guns without conducting a criminal background check. Gun show dealers have been known to advertise to criminals with signs that read “no background checks required here.”
 
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whoever said that back ground checks would stop someone from ILLEGALLY acquiring a firearm?

Then how are they useful and why are the liberals pushing for them?

Plus you make such a statement and then you illegally take firearms into Mexico.
How is that helping with Mexico's policy?
 
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Sorry, I was detained. I just went up and down my neighborhood streets ripping out all those fucking stop signs. I have seen people speed, so clearly they are a waste of time and money! And clearly it infringes on the 'liberty' of speeders. I mean people that break the law are people too.

What REALLY strikes me as ironic, it is usually right wing turds like you who are all about law and ORDER. Well fuck THAT if it might cause some inconvenience on your part...you're just so fucking special,

<yawn>
Another liberal rant; because they can't defend their position.

How are increased background checks going to stop "murderers, felons and wife beaters" from getting guns, that are already illegal for them to have?
 
No.....They have to buy them from PRIVATE SELLERS! That's the same at any location in America, gun show or not. You're clearly high.

When is a private seller the same as a licensed gun dealer?

When they're lurking in the halls behind the booths selling guns without a background check.
 
As citizens, we can't stop a criminal from buying an illegal firearm from the trunk of another criminal in some dark alley.

But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, then buy whatever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.

What's to stop them from buying them from a private sale; which is basically what you're referring to?
 
They're going to keep guns out of criminals hands. And crazy people. And pervs like you.

precisely. that's why police departments all over the country overwhelmingly support them. It's puzzling why law and order righties would stand so firmly in the path of law enforcement.
 
precisely. that's why police departments all over the country overwhelmingly support them. It's puzzling why law and order righties would stand so firmly in the path of law enforcement.

Would you care to explain how extended background checks are "...going to keep guns out of criminals hands. And crazy people. And pervs like you..."?
 
Would you care to explain how extended background checks are "...going to keep guns out of criminals hands. And crazy people. And pervs like you..."?

it certainly won't keep all of the guns out of their hands, but the perfect ought not to be the enemy of the good.
 
precisely. that's why police departments all over the country overwhelmingly support them. It's puzzling why law and order righties would stand so firmly in the path of law enforcement.


Crazy people and criminals can't own guns now....try again....
 
Crazy people and criminals can't own guns now....try again....

Would you care to explain how extended background checks are "...going to keep guns out of criminals hands. And crazy people. And pervs like you..."?

From 1999 to 2009, 1.9 people were stopped from buying guns thanks to background checks. Can you imagine how much larger that number would be if background checks were universal?
 
From 1999 to 2009, 1.9 people were stopped from buying guns thanks to background checks. Can you imagine how much larger that number would be if background checks were universal?

Universal ?....as in 'worldwide'.....something tells me you got some bad weed, homey......why don't you start in Somalia and Egypt and Afghanistan....
 
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