The Official Round II Debate thread

Damn Yankee said:
Apparently Sol gives better head.
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I am kind of shacking my head in disbelief. I thought I did a pretty good job of lining up my ducks but I was handicapped by having the more unpopular position to defend. Go figure? Oh well, hat's off to Winter, he knocked of the defending (by proxy) champ. I would think that would make him now the defacto front runner?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I am kind of shacking my head in disbelief. I thought I did a pretty good job of lining up my ducks but I was handicapped by having the more unpopular position to defend. Go figure? Oh well, hat's off to Winter, he knocked of the defending (by proxy) champ. I would think that would make him now the defacto front runner?
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You DID do an excellent job lining up your ducks. When I read your OP I thought "Oh shit, Mott is serious".

As for the unpopular side, I don't think arguing to allow "Gay Chickens and their Bukkake Parties" in a public library is exactly popular. (the gay chicken bukkake line may be the best line in the debates so far)

I thought it was an excellent debate.
 
WinterBorn said:
You DID do an excellent job lining up your ducks. When I read your OP I thought "Oh shit, Mott is serious".

As for the unpopular side, I don't think arguing to allow "Gay Chickens and their Bukkake Parties" in a public library is exactly popular. (the gay chicken bukkake line may be the best line in the debates so far)

I thought it was an excellent debate.
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I enjoyed it :)

It may have been that smart ass line that cost me though! LOL
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I am kind of shacking my head in disbelief. I thought I did a pretty good job of lining up my ducks but I was handicapped by having the more unpopular position to defend. Go figure? Oh well, hat's off to Winter, he knocked of the defending (by proxy) champ. I would think that would make him now the defacto front runner?
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We have seen that the popularity of the argument colors the judges decisions.
 
Damn Yankee said:
We have seen that the popularity of the argument colors the judges decisions.
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i think anyone that has the "more popular" position to defend may have a slight advantage because they have more to work with and more maneuverability, but as far as I am concerned I am looking how well someones position is articulated, how well they present their argument, and occasionally I'll analyze if I think the approach for an opening or whatever sets them up well further in the debate.

There have already been a few debates where I would see the side of an argument I agree with scattered and all over the place. I would be looking at a rebuttal or something and think "What the fuck is this?" trying to pull some substance out of it. I know intuitively that somewhere in the mangled mess of words I could find something I might agree with but overall it's a bad argument, and that would be reflected in my judgment.

So yeah, having the "popular" side of the debate might give you a slight advantage to start, but you can't just ride the coattails of a popular opinion and expect to win, at least not with me
 
Rar Im a Dinosaur! said:
i think anyone that has the "more popular" position to defend may have a slight advantage because they have more to work with and more maneuverability, but as far as I am concerned I am looking how well someones position is articulated, how well they present their argument, and occasionally I'll analyze if I think the approach for an opening or whatever sets them up well further in the debate.

There have already been a few debates where I would see the side of an argument I agree with scattered and all over the place. I would be looking at a rebuttal or something and think "What the fuck is this?" trying to pull some substance out of it. I know intuitively that somewhere in the mangled mess of words I could find something I might agree with but overall it's a bad argument, and that would be reflected in my judgment.

So yeah, having the "popular" side of the debate might give you a slight advantage to start, but you can't just ride the coattails of a popular opinion and expect to win, at least not with me
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How about a bribe then?
 
Rar Im a Dinosaur! said:
i think anyone that has the "more popular" position to defend may have a slight advantage because they have more to work with and more maneuverability, but as far as I am concerned I am looking how well someones position is articulated, how well they present their argument, and occasionally I'll analyze if I think the approach for an opening or whatever sets them up well further in the debate.

There have already been a few debates where I would see the side of an argument I agree with scattered and all over the place. I would be looking at a rebuttal or something and think "What the fuck is this?" trying to pull some substance out of it. I know intuitively that somewhere in the mangled mess of words I could find something I might agree with but overall it's a bad argument, and that would be reflected in my judgment.

So yeah, having the "popular" side of the debate might give you a slight advantage to start, but you can't just ride the coattails of a popular opinion and expect to win, at least not with me
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I'm not saying that it is the only factor, but there is little doubt that it is a deciding factor. My debate with USF shows me that a well written, unpopular argument can win over a popular but poorly thought out position. But I have no doubt that the debater with the less popular position must present a better argument to break even.
 
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