2nd Amendment Conversation from the Defund thread

I know what it says. Those words hang proudly above the fireplace in our gun club. You won't regulate us.

If the need arises, we will regulate you. Don't fuck with us Americans, the consequences will be devastating.

No, you won't. . Guns are barely regulated. The time to get more regulation is here. Register them. Get a license. take classes in gun use. Have a license qualified for and renewed every 2 years. Kinda like cars.
You rightys talk so tough.
 
No, you won't. . Guns are barely regulated. The time to get more regulation is here. Register them. Get a license. take classes in gun use. Have a license qualified for and renewed every 2 years. Kinda like cars.
You rightys talk so tough.
Not gonna happen


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Well regulated militia are expressly declared necessary not optional unlike the unorganized militia of the People.

No. Go read the 2nd amendment again.

2nd Amendment said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

See the word 'people' in there? It means everyone, not just a militia.

* a State has the right to defend itself by forming a militia.
* the people have the right to defend itself by keeping and bearing Arms.

Congress cannot infringe on any of it.
No State can infringe on any of it.
 
The NRA used to back registering guns until the gun manufacturers took them over. The makers pull the strings and Americans die.

Not at the grassroots. And we are not responsible for criminal use of firearms. You fools keep saying it's the gun manufacturers pulling strings, it's not. At least not down here.
 
No. Go read the 2nd amendment again.



See the word 'people' in there? It means everyone, not just a militia.

* a State has the right to defend itself by forming a militia.
* the people have the right to defend itself by keeping and bearing Arms.

Congress cannot infringe on any of it.
No State can infringe on any of it.
What is your native language? You too ignorant to argue with in English.
 
It is the absolute height of stupidity to believe that the founding fathers would guarantee ONLY the government a right to keep and bear arms, after having just won a war for independence from their government that tried to take their arms.

We had a beginning country with no standing army and no tax system. The army was the citizens. In case you have not noticed, that is not the America of today. The Brits attacked the armories when they started the wars. They encouraged weapons because the people were the soldiers who save the country. Now right-wingers have convinced themselves that guns were intended to fight the government. How stupid is that?
 
We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.







Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!

True enough! But like it or not, guns must be regulated as well, least you want to come across some yahoo with a .50 machine gun on his roof who mistakes you for a crook on night.
 
True enough! But like it or not, guns must be regulated as well, least you want to come across some yahoo with a .50 machine gun on his roof who mistakes you for a crook on night.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Why do we have security problems in our free States?
 
We had a beginning country with no standing army and no tax system. The army was the citizens. In case you have not noticed, that is not the America of today. The Brits attacked the armories when they started the wars. They encouraged weapons because the people were the soldiers who save the country. Now right-wingers have convinced themselves that guns were intended to fight the government. How stupid is that?

numerous historical quotations have been provided here dozens of times showing you that the founders DISTRUSTED government and that private citizens, armed with the same weapons of warfare that the government would have, were essential to keep the government in check, or at the very least, outgunned by the citizenry..............why do you ignore all of those?
 
True enough! But like it or not, guns must be regulated as well, least you want to come across some yahoo with a .50 machine gun on his roof who mistakes you for a crook on night.

WHY, when the founders of this nation distrusted government so much that every piece of historical documentation notates that the new federal government would have ZERO power or authority over the arms of the people?
 
WHY, when the founders of this nation distrusted government so much that every piece of historical documentation notates that the new federal government would have ZERO power or authority over the arms of the people?
This is what they actually wrote as our supreme law of the land: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 
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