5 ways to tell if you're a Libertarian

[Flash]

The trust fund was raided within the first year S.S. was created

You mean any surplus that was put in treasuries? How was there anything to raid in the first year. It was basically a pay-as-you-go plan with no real surplus until the tax increase of the 1980s.

If people (or the SS system) buy treasuries they are lending money to the government. Government is not raiding anything.

 

[Flash]

Sell them for what? A fraction of what they were originally worth?

Then what have you got after you've sold them all to support yourself while the market slowly recovers?

It's too much of a gamble which is why seniors will never allow it.

Not a fraction but the amount they declined. It is not less than they were originally worth since the value grew over the years. If my investment grows to $1 million and declines to $600,000 and I sell some shares, it is most likely for more rather than less I originally paid. And, you only sell about 4% annually which allows the money to continue to grow at a faster rate than the withdrawal.

 

[cawacko]

You mean any surplus that was put in treasuries? How was there anything to raid in the first year. It was basically a pay-as-you-go plan with no real surplus until the tax increase of the 1980s.

If people (or the SS system) buy treasuries they are lending money to the government. Government is not raiding anything.

Read a great book on this recently. My notes are at home. I'll post about it when back

 

[Flash]

Read a great book on this recently. My notes are at home. I'll post about it when back

Thanks. I have read some books but get most of my information from the Trustees reports.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

The #1 way to tell if you're a Libertarian:

You just started saying so.

 

[Flash]

The #1 way to tell if you're a Libertarian:

You just started saying so.

And thought Hillary, Trump, and Sanders were all terrible choices.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

And thought Hillary, Trump, and Sanders were all terrible choices.

Your political and economic system are your terrible choices.

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

What is your opinion on people being able to opt out and save/invest themselves?

Are you kidding? Of course I'm for that as long as it's mandatory for them to put at least as much in as they'd have to if they were forced to pay into SS at gunpoint as we are presently.

I'm not opposed to it being in place for those that want it as long as it doesn't cost me.

I have a similar solution for universal healthcare that unveiled in dcjunkies. Everybody pays into it and they have the option of stupidly paying into an inefficient gubmint program such as medicare and have a low paid, lazy, low ambition gubmint employee physician a la a VA doc or pay at least an equal amount into an HSA. any unused portion at death could either be passed on to heirs .
No time to go into it here, but it would work.

 

[Flash]

Your political and economic system are your terrible choices.

True, but much better than the alternatives.

 

[CFM]

You're a lying brokeback peckerwood pansy. You've never offered shit but the sight of your ass hiding behind your keyboard.



Wrong. When the people who invested lose everything they invested, the first thing they'll do is go running to the danged ol' gub'mint with both hands out, crying gimme gimme gimme!!!!.

And you'll be right where you always are.... at the front of the line with your hands out like the rest of them.

Never taken a dime from the government unlike every nigger in your family still does, boy.

 

[CFM]

Wrong as usual, trailer trash. My net worth is probably many times yours, assuming you even have a net worth, which I doubt. I've never taken one dime from the govt while you probably collect disability, SNAP and everything else you can get your dirty, grimy mitts on.

You getting food stamps, welfare, government housing, and any other handout you think is owed to you isn't net worth.

Prove your net worth is more than zero.

 

[CFM]

Are you kidding? Of course I'm for that as long as it's mandatory for them to put at least as much in as they'd have to if they were forced to pay into SS at gunpoint as we are presently.I have a similar solution for universal healthcare that unveiled in dcjunkies. Everybody pays into it and they have the option of stupidly paying into an inefficient gubmint program such as medicare and have a low paid, lazy, low ambition gubmint employee physician a la a VA doc or pay at least an equal amount into an HSA. any unused portion at death could either be passed on to heirs .
No time to go into it here, but it would work.

Wouldn't making it mandatory be forcing them at gun point?

I think people should be able to opt out of SS. If they are stupid enough to not put it somewhere on their own, as long as they don't get a dime later, I'm OK with that, too.

 

[Nomad]

Never taken a dime from the government unlike every nigger in your family still does, boy.

You getting food stamps, welfare, government housing, and any other handout you think is owed to you isn't net worth.

Prove your net worth is more than zero.

Still trying to play the old fake macho redneck peckerwood act, eh?

Not working.

We all know you're a loser drunk on parole who lives off your fat pig wife's welfare and can't own a gun because the law won't let you.

Keep up the tough talk if it makes you feel like a man, though.

Loser trash.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Unlike you, I've relied on myself my entire life and never taken one dime of public assistance, you welfare sucking maggot.

How's the disability scam going?

You built your own roads?

 

[Cancel 2018.1]

Wouldn't making it mandatory be forcing them at gun point?

Yes, of course. If i were a strict libertarian I'd say anybody that doesn't have the responsibility to plan for retirement can eat shit and die. But i'm also a pragmatist and I have to side with the gubmint that the overwhelming majority of the minions are far too irresponsible to plan for retirement and they need inefficient gubmint nanny to force them to do it.

I think people should be able to opt out of SS. If they are stupid enough to not put it somewhere on their own, as long as they don't get a dime later, I'm OK with that, too.

Me too but I think it's good that gubmint forces stupid people to pay into some sort of retirement. Otherwise we'd all end up paying the price later.
I just believe it's unfair that I have to pay into the same Ponzi scheme the irresponsible people do when I'm willing to self fund my retirement.

 

[iolo]

In jail for what? Would all the poor and middle class also be in jail?

Those who 'own' industry, as you know, do no productive work. They live off the proportion of wages they steal from their employees. Other people don't own industry, so they're irrelevant.

 

[CFM]

Still trying to play the old fake macho redneck peckerwood act, eh?

Not working.

We all know you're a loser drunk on parole who lives off your fat pig wife's welfare and can't own a gun because the law won't let you.

Keep up the tough talk if it makes you feel like a man, though.

Loser trash.

Just stating the truth about a stupid fucking nigger like you, boy.

Apparently I'm tough enough to scare you. You acknowledged what I owned, said I shouldn't own it, yet you refuse to try and take it. The ONLY reason you have is fear.

 

[CFM]

Those who 'own' industry, as you know, do no productive work. They live off the proportion of wages they steal from their employees. Other people don't own industry, so they're irrelevant.

Those that work in industry, as you know, wouldn't be working unless those that own it gave them the opportunity.

 

[CFM]

Yes, of course. If i were a strict libertarian I'd say anybody that doesn't have the responsibility to plan for retirement can eat shit and die. But i'm also a pragmatist and I have to side with the gubmint that the overwhelming majority of the minions are far too irresponsible to plan for retirement and they need inefficient gubmint nanny to force them to do it. Me too but I think it's good that gubmint forces stupid people to pay into some sort of retirement. Otherwise we'd all end up paying the price later.
I just believe it's unfair that I have to pay into the same Ponzi scheme the irresponsible people do when I'm willing to self fund my retirement.

I'm not a Libertarian but I believe in personal responsibility. What you support is the same things whether you call it SS or some other name. Whether it's public or private, there is no difference with what you support. I would, and already, voluntarily invest for retirement. That's why SS will be like a bonus for me. It won't be a necessity but gravy on top of what I've prepared to be able to do. When it comes to other people, they aren't my responsibility to care for or look out for. It's their job.

Why would we end up paying for them later? That's the problem. Don't pay. Tell them no. The smart ones will learn and the stupid ones will no longer be a burden. Either way, the problem is solved.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

1. The left and the right hate you

Perhaps one of the most frustrating things about being a libertarian is how both the left and the right seem to hate you. The left can’t stand your economic views and willingness to stand up for people’s civil rights, regardless of who those people are, and the right can’t stand, well, your willingness to stand up for people’s civil rights. You constantly feel like a liberal around conservatives and a conservative around liberals. Your support for the Second Amendment and the rights of neo-Nazis to speak freely is sure to get you labeled a “white supremacist” by one side, while your support for the LGBT community, marijuana legalization, and limited government makes you a dirty hippy to the other.

2. People constantly confuse you with your anarchist friends

We’ve all been accused of being completely against government at least once, and while it’s true that most libertarians are for limited government in order to maximize freedom, we’re not typically for the total abolishment of government — that’s an anarchist thing. Libertarians generally believe in maintaining a small government primarily for judicial purposes, while anarchists believe government should be completely eradicated, placing their faith in private police or militia groups instead. But no matter how many times you explain this to acquaintances, most of them will probably ignore you.

3. You roll your eyes whenever someone trashes the free market

Let’s be honest — this one happens all the time. Whether it’s in casual conversation or after you tell someone you’re a libertarian, we’ve all experienced the mind-numbing rants against the free market. “The free market isn’t effective!” “Capitalism has killed more people than socialism!” “But, what abut income inequality?” “You don’t care about the poor!” Are you even a libertarian if you don’t spend at least half your time explaining how capitalism works to people who think using the state to take all your stuff is a moral imperative?

4. The NAP is practically sacred to you

The non-aggression principle, or NAP, is a staple of libertarian thought that tends to find more favor among pacifist liberals than it does hawkish conservatives. Libertarians are decidedly against intervening in other countries, against war, and against fear-mongering war propaganda, especially when it’s coming from the president. It’ll be a cold day in hell before anyone manages to convince you that U.S. intervention in Afghanistan is the correct course of action, and you wish diplomacy could be used more often as a means of settling international disputes. Just how many billions of tax dollars has the government spent on killing innocent people in the name of “freedom,” anyway?

5. You think taxation is theft

Speaking of tax dollars being spent on killing innocent people, you’re probably a libertarian if you believe taxation is theft. When the government is taking more and more of your hard-earned money and threatening to throw you in prison if you don’t comply, how can taxation be considered anything else? While some people say you’re bound to pay taxes as part of a social contract, libertarians reject this idea, believing that what you personally work for is yours to keep.

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How to tell you’re not a libertarian;

You actually get elected.
Once elected you actually accomplish something.
You understand that utilitarianism is the only form of governance that’s proven to work.
You actually understand the relationship between Libertarianism and anarchy.
You also understand market economies simply do not work unless they are regulated to protect the public from bad actors.