"A Republic, if you can keep it."

Hello Dutch Uncle,

A lot of that goes to culture. American values. Too many people value avarice over morality. Too many people are pushing for self-gratification instead of doing what's best for America. Too many people are willing to walk all over others in a quest for taking care of #1.

One of my favorite sayings is “A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

Nowadays, we just buy a chinese-made canopy; movable, replaceable and doesn't need nurturing. As Pogo once famously said, "We've met the enemy and he is us".

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Well said. I once rented a house for a few years. It was old, flimsy, and heated up in the afternoons when the sun would mercilessly have it's way with the shallow roof. A neighbor had majestic oaks shading their place. They were happy to let me dig up a couple of squirrel-planted acorns which had sprouted in their yard. I transplanted them to the west of this house, knowing that I would be long gone before any of the hoped-for shade resulted.

15 years later I had occasion to drive by that old place and was amused to see that one of the oaks had taken and was doing exactly what I had envisioned for the house. The current renter was there so I stopped to chat a bit, telling him how much the place had struggled to stay comfy in the summer and what I had done. Naturally he thanked me up one side and down the other. One of the reasons he had decided to rent was because of the natural shade.

I never got to enjoy it, but it still felt good knowing that it was appreciated. Later, when I could afford it, I bought a place with shade trees of my own. I never knew who to thank for that shade.
 
Wish more people would do what he did. And you never know when one of those campaigns is going to catch fire. Joe Biden did pretty much the same thing when he was 29 years old, his campaign did 'find the magic,' and became the youngest Senator.

There is a very big reason why voters don't think we can clean up the big money in politics. Apathy. They just don't believe.

We have been far too complacent.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Part of that also has to do with saving face. They committed to him. If they change their minds, they have to admit they were wrong. There's a lot of people who are just too insecure to do that.

Imagine all the people in this country who would benefit from a little mental health counseling - but they will never get it because their ego tells them there is a stigma associated with it. Many many more would also benefit, but it's just out of the question because they can't afford it. In America, the number one provider of mental health counseling is the prison system. And that is a national failure. We could have so much finer a country if the stigma vanished, and such services were part of a National Health Service.

Of course, Trump could easily afford the finest mental health counseling, and seriously needs extensive treatment, but he won't get it for reason (A).

Agreed. Too many people think that way. IMO, it goes back to the avarice and self-gratification thing. People who think that way lack humility.

Agreed on better mental health care. Mental health checkups should be as common as annual physicals. Unfortunately the stigma of mental health heavily outweighs most attempts at reform.

True since it's not illegal to be crazy...and I don't recommend it ever being so. OTOH, like public schools and businesses requiring vaccinations and, in a pandemic, masks, I can see how both would require a mental health exam.

A few jobs, both government and private sector, do require such a check as part of their application process. They do it with paper testing. Like an IQ exam, but also with psychological elements. Their choice to pick and choose who they hire. I didn't pass the CIA application process. Go figure. :)
 
We have been far too complacent.

Agreed. Complacency results in apathy results in deterioration. It's like a marriage where a couple takes each other for granted for too long. They begin to drift apart. If they want to reverse course, they need to do something about it....and just fingering the other with blame ain't the solution.
 
True, but you've been declaring your hatred for all Marine Officers for several posts now. It's not rocket science to see you are assuming a lot of things about people and how things work. Your personality is colored by your bitterness at failing to make E-5, the standard rank for someone after five years. Sure, some people may have failed you, but you never once took any responsibility for your own actions. It's always someone else's fault. That right there is enough to explain why you failed to make Sergeant.
not once did I ever make excuses or claim I was not at fault or responsible..........now who's assuming?

Why do you think I post like Legion/Asshat?
you have alot of the same mannerisms in posting
 
How do you plan to "wake" people up? Kidnap the Governor of Michigan and shoot down anyone who gets in your way?
no. I try to teach people, talk to them.........show them the errors of their thinkings. Kidnapping government officials is stupid. If you're going to do something about corruption or tyranny in government, you go all in. Not half assed measures of kidnapping, like you're going to use a hostage to get what you want.............that's stupid, so yes.........shoot anyone who gets in your way, if you're all in.

Yes, I'm not happy with either party either, but I'm not advocating overthrowing the government by suspending the Constitution and mandating martial law across the land.
neither am I.........as I stated earlier
 
not once did I ever make excuses or claim I was not at fault or responsible..........now who's assuming?

you have alot of the same mannerisms in posting

Scroll up, dude. Specifically to why you hate all officers and most NCOs.

Then it should be easy for you to detail a few of them.
 
no. I try to teach people, talk to them.........show them the errors of their thinkings. Kidnapping government officials is stupid. If you're going to do something about corruption or tyranny in government, you go all in. Not half assed measures of kidnapping, like you're going to use a hostage to get what you want.............that's stupid, so yes.........shoot anyone who gets in your way, if you're all in.

neither am I.........as I stated earlier
Teaching is good. It's good leadership. Agreed the kidnapping was stupid. The entire idea was flawed, not just their fucked up execution of it.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Agreed. Too many people think that way. IMO, it goes back to the avarice and self-gratification thing. People who think that way lack humility.

Agreed on better mental health care. Mental health checkups should be as common as annual physicals. Unfortunately the stigma of mental health heavily outweighs most attempts at reform.

True since it's not illegal to be crazy...and I don't recommend it ever being so. OTOH, like public schools and businesses requiring vaccinations and, in a pandemic, masks, I can see how both would require a mental health exam.

A few jobs, both government and private sector, do require such a check as part of their application process. They do it with paper testing. Like an IQ exam, but also with psychological elements. Their choice to pick and choose who they hire. I didn't pass the CIA application process. Go figure. :)

All police should have regular real-time evaluations and wear body cameras. This should be a no-brainer in our country. It is messed up that anyone struggles with that. Many serious jobs should have the evaluations. And there can never be enough protection for whistle-blowers.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

All police should have regular real-time evaluations and wear body cameras. This should be a no-brainer in our country. It is messed up that anyone struggles with that. Many serious jobs should have the evaluations. And there can never be enough protection for whistle-blowers.

Agreed. Random drug and alcohol-testing of politicians would be a good move too.
 
the first thing you're wrong about here is that Democrats also believe in two parties only, otherwise I wouldn't be hearing about my 3rd party vote being a wasted vote, or that my 3rd party vote is voting for trump. Secondly, this notion of a democracy, where majority rules, is not what American was/is supposed to be.........and democrats know this. they want it so they don't have to worry about protecting rights of the minority (republicans) because of the hate fueled between both parties and their ideologies.

Smart under the 2 party syndrome, 3rd party votes are a wasted vote. That is just common sense. But a 2 party system is not a Democrat belief. Remember that is was Democrat Republicans who came into power and first challenged the framers of our Constitution who were basically Federalists to even provide for an alternative in the first place. But the Democrats and Federalist sympathizing Republicans split and no one other party has come to be that was influential enough to challenge the 60% RULE IN Congress. It seems our Framers were the ones who doomed democracy with that rule. How can a 3rd party system survive that? But don't blame this on Democrats.

Your poor disregard for Democracy is a conflict of interest for any new party to challenge the DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS!

Get out of your own way pal! You should be a Democracy fighter, rather than a foe of Democracy. Democracy is the only chance to get us out of the 2 party syndrome.

I can smell a Republican a mile away SIR! NICE FACADE!
 
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Smart under the 2 party syndrome, 3rd party votes are a wasted vote. That is just common sense. But a 2 party system is not a Democrat belief. Remember that is was Democrat Republicans who came into power and first challenged the framers of our Constitution who were basically Federalists to even provide for an alternative in the first place. But the Democrats and Federalist sympathizing Republicans split and no one other party has come to be that was influential enough to challenge the 60% RULE IN Congress. It seems our Framers were the ones who doomed democracy with that rule. How can a 3rd party system survive that? But don't blame this on Democrats.

Your poor disregard for Democracy is a conflict of interest for any new party to challenge the DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS!

Get out of your own way pal! You should be a Democracy fighter, rather than a foe of Democracy. Democracy is the only chance to get us out of the 2 party syndrome.

I can smell a Republican a mile away SIR! NICE FACADE!

so you think i'm a republican, despite the fact that I vote 3rd party and bash both republicans and democrats????? if you smell republicans a mile away, maybe you have covid
 
Smart under the 2 party syndrome, 3rd party votes are a wasted vote. That is just common sense. But a 2 party system is not a Democrat belief. Remember that is was Democrat Republicans who came into power and first challenged the framers of our Constitution who were basically Federalists to even provide for an alternative in the first place. But the Democrats and Federalist sympathizing Republicans split and no one other party has come to be that was influential enough to challenge the 60% RULE IN Congress. It seems our Framers were the ones who doomed democracy with that rule. How can a 3rd party system survive that? But don't blame this on Democrats.

Your poor disregard for Democracy is a conflict of interest for any new party to challenge the DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS!

Get out of your own way pal! You should be a Democracy fighter, rather than a foe of Democracy. Democracy is the only chance to get us out of the 2 party syndrome.

I can smell a Republican a mile away SIR! NICE FACADE!

you're irredeemably moronic.
 
so you think i'm a republican, despite the fact that I vote 3rd party and bash both republicans and democrats????? if you smell republicans a mile away, maybe you have covid

You've sided with Trump on multiple occasions. Are you claiming he's a liar and secretly a third party member?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...=2517948&highlight=Trump+policies#post2517948
Whether through an incompetent conspiracy (now being revealed through revelations that Obama-era apparatchiks planned and supported a soft coup against President-elect Trump) or the sheer will of the American electorate, the neo-liberal power structure couldn’t hang on... now after all the hand-wringing and accusations of Trump ushering in a dictatorship, I wonder just how long it will be until a future president seizes the reigns and actually becomes a dictator.
 
You've sided with Trump on multiple occasions. Are you claiming he's a liar and secretly a third party member?
you should probably stop with the liberal diatribe of 'if you're not slamming trump, you're supporting him'........it looks bad on anyone. I've supported a few decisions he's made and bashed a whole bunch of others.........I choose my words based on the decision, not the person making them. So, yes, i'm calling him a liar for thinking i'm a republican. You should also read that entire post instead of doing a search of my posts where I mention trump........just saying

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...=2517948&highlight=Trump+policies#post2517948
Whether through an incompetent conspiracy (now being revealed through revelations that Obama-era apparatchiks planned and supported a soft coup against President-elect Trump) or the sheer will of the American electorate, the neo-liberal power structure couldn’t hang on... now after all the hand-wringing and accusations of Trump ushering in a dictatorship, I wonder just how long it will be until a future president seizes the reigns and actually becomes a dictator. [/QUOTE]
 
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