About that J-6 So-Called 'Insurrection' NONSENSE

Right wing terrorists have been blamed for many acts of terrorism, which they have really committed.
What 'right wing terrorists'????
They are not blamed for 911. After 9/11, thousands of Muslims who had nothing to do with terrorism were "detained" for months without a trial or even access to a lawyer... Right wing terrorists were not.
What 'right wing terrorists????
Where the hell does Goat live that the shelves are all bare? The rest of us are not having this problem.
You don't get to speak for everybody. You only get to speak for you. Shortages are still occurring.
This is not the trump years anymore.
These shortages didn't occur because of Trump. They occur because of DEMOCRATS. They are still occurring.
 
The National Guard is usually activated by the governors of their state, but in DC they are activated by the President who acts as governor for DC. When activated by the governor, they can act as law enforcement, just like the state troopers. When activated by the President, except when he is acting as the governor of DC, they act as part of the federal military, but not as police.
Nope. They are the NATIONAL guard. They are the NATIONAL militia. They do not answer to the governor of any State unless the President tells them to.
It is called Dual Command. It has been explained to Night repeatedly, but he refuses to understand.
No such thing.
 
Nope. They are the NATIONAL guard. They are the NATIONAL militia. They do not answer to the governor of any State unless the President tells them to.

That is just not true. The National Guard is under the command of the Governors when they are not called up to federal service by the President. We have been over this before.

It is clear that Night never served.
 
That is just not true. The National Guard is under the command of the Governors when they are not called up to federal service by the President. We have been over this before.

It is clear that Night never served.

The NATIONAL militia is under the direction of the President of the United States. They are not under the command of any governor.
 
Vacuous fallacy.

When I said right wing terrorists were not involved in 9/11, you asked which right wing terrorists were not involved in 9/11. The answer is obvious, all of them were not involved. I could also add all Japanese people were not involved in 9/11, and even all unicorns were not involved in 9/11. You really have no point here.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Nope, truth.....whether you accept it or not:
Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory Centers on Baseless Claim About Ray Epps
By Saranac Hale Spencer

Posted on January 11, 2022 | Updated on July 14, 2022

Quick Take
James Ray Epps was at the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. But there is no evidence that he was an FBI plant assigned to instigate the riot, as a conspiracy theory — embraced by at least two members of Congress — claims. There is evidence, however, that Epps once held a leadership role in the Oath Keepers, some of whose members have been charged in the attack.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/ja...bout-ray-epps/


Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Yep, ITN is just babbling the same old nonsense while restating an accusation he cannot factually or logically support. He's incapable or unwilling to have a rational, fact based debate on any subject. I see no point in further trying.




Fact-Checkers are nothing but confirmation bias for the intellectually weak.

Even the leftists will deride you for using fact-checkers at certain other places.

And here comes the bandwagon fallacy: Everybody know they're bullshit.

:rolleyes: One of the recent mantras trotted out by the Murdock media and like minded extreme right wing pundits and sycophants. Here's the problem: the general population has become lazy regarding proper research and the use of critical thinking. Relying on one source without keeping abreast of current affairs via multiple HISTORICALLY VALID & DOCUMENTED SOURCES makes one's final determinations susceptible to fraud.

When Fox News and its like minded entities were caught chronically lying to the American public, their counter punch was to actually do honest research in analyzing folk who criticized them. However, ANY inaccuracies or flaws found were touted as full blown and constant media bias. Thus, folk like you can easily dismiss any fact check that disproves your beliefs or declarations.....much akin to the Orange Oaf's declaring any and everything "Fake News".

So the immediate question comes to mind....whom do you consider an impeccable source of information? And how do you logically and factually determine who is telling the truth?

Apply those question to what I previously posted and see if your assertions pass the muster. As shown, the Ray Epps legend is just pure amalgamated propaganda repeated by like minded entities. Apply logical, critical analysis to all information available, and the Epps story falls apart.

Oh, and this might help you out:

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias
 
When I said right wing terrorists were not involved in 9/11, you asked which right wing terrorists were not involved in 9/11.
The answer is obvious, all of them were not involved. I could also add all Japanese people were not involved in 9/11, and even all unicorns were not involved in 9/11. You really have no point here.

Fiction. Word stuffing. Vacuous fallacy.
 
:rolleyes: One of the recent mantras
No, you are proving my points.
trotted out by the Murdock media and like minded extreme right wing pundits and sycophants.
Since you consider supporting the Constitution of the United States 'extreme right', you are just showing your own bias. Bulverism fallacy.
Here's the problem:
It's you. YOU are your own problem.
the general population has become lazy regarding proper research and the use of critical thinking.
Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
Relying on one source without keeping abreast of current affairs
You are describing yourself.
via multiple HISTORICALLY VALID & DOCUMENTED SOURCES makes one's final determinations susceptible to fraud.
YOU don't get to declare what is 'historically valid and documented'. Omniscience fallacy.
When Fox News and its like minded entities were caught chronically lying to the American public,
Void argument fallacy.
their counter punch was to actually do honest research in analyzing folk who criticized them.
Fiction.
However, ANY inaccuracies or flaws found were touted as full blown and constant media bias.
...and full blown cut and paste by you.
Thus, folk like you can easily dismiss any fact check
'Expert' worship. 'Fact' checkers are just confirmation bias.
that disproves your beliefs or declarations.
'Fact' checkers are not a proof nor a Universal Truth. Neither is a fact.
....much akin to the Orange Oaf's declaring any and everything "Fake News".
He didn't. He declared MSNBC, CNN, and any other 'news' service that write fiction for 'news' Fake News.
So the immediate question comes to mind....whom do you consider an impeccable source of information?
Void question.
And how do you logically and factually determine who is telling the truth?
Void question.
Apply those question to what I previously posted and see if your assertions pass the muster.
Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Attempted proof by false authority.
As shown, the Ray Epps legend is just pure amalgamated propaganda repeated by like minded entities.
He is no legend. Ray Epps is not an amalgamation. It is not propaganda. Ray Epps MADE THE CLAIM HIMSELF.
Apply logical, critical analysis to all information available, and the Epps story falls apart.
RAY EPPS MADE THE CLAIM HIMSELF!
Oh, and this might help you out:

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias
Fake Poll. Argument from randU fallacy.

Discard of history. False authority fallacies. Circular argument fallacies (fundamentalism). Bulverism. False dichotomy fallacy. Absolutism. 'Expert' worship. Discard of history.
 
:rolleyes: One of the recent mantras trotted out by the Murdock media and like minded extreme right wing pundits and sycophants. Here's the problem: the general population has become lazy regarding proper research and the use of critical thinking. Relying on one source without keeping abreast of current affairs via multiple HISTORICALLY VALID & DOCUMENTED SOURCES makes one's final determinations susceptible to fraud.

When Fox News and its like minded entities were caught chronically lying to the American public, their counter punch was to actually do honest research in analyzing folk who criticized them. However, ANY inaccuracies or flaws found were touted as full blown and constant media bias. Thus, folk like you can easily dismiss any fact check that disproves your beliefs or declarations.....much akin to the Orange Oaf's declaring any and everything "Fake News".

So the immediate question comes to mind....whom do you consider an impeccable source of information? And how do you logically and factually determine who is telling the truth?

Apply those question to what I previously posted and see if your assertions pass the muster. As shown, the Ray Epps legend is just pure amalgamated propaganda repeated by like minded entities. Apply logical, critical analysis to all information available, and the Epps story falls apart.

Oh, and this might help you out:

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias

Okay, your assertion is that the Ray Epps thing is a nothingburger. Now I don't know much about that; So I'm going to see if I can find anything to either prove or disprove your assertion. Let's see how it goes! :D

Oh, and I've seen that site posted 100s of times, usually by people wanting to use the site's assessment to promote original fallacy. Starting right now at around 8:30, here I go!

Okay, there's this: Epps is a former president of the "Oath Keepers", was present in Washington on the 5th and the 6th, was directing people to the Congress building.

"Ray Epps, a Marine veteran, was seen in video urging a group of Trump supporters in Washington DC to 'go into the Capitol' on January 5 and 6
DailyMail.com located Epps, 60, who is at the center of a conspiracy theory alleging he was an FBI plant sent to help incite the deadly riot
Epps is the former president of the largest chapter of the far-right anti- government militia group the Oath Keepers
His alleged involvement in the deadly insurrection was highlighted in the DOJ's House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing in October
U.S Representative Thomas Massie (R-KY) showed video clips of Epps repeatedly encouraging protestors on the streets of DC to 'go into' the Capitol"

"The vacuum of corroborated facts about the person identified by the FBI in photograph “16” has been filled with speculation stemming from a video showing crowds chanting “Fed! Fed! Fed!” after Mr Epps said on 5 January, “Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol”."

"Mr Epps’s image was included on the FBI Capitol Violence most wanted list, but it was removed around July last year."

https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-capitol-riot-figure-140228875.html



There's no denying he was there:

"Ray Epps told The Arizona Republic in a brief telephone interview Monday that he had traveled to the capital for the event, and that he had been advised by an attorney not to speak about it. "

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...stigation-arizona-trump-supporter/6624406002/


Kinzinger and the AP try to spin it all kinds of ways, but that doesn't mean they're not running contrary to the facts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/politics/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-ray-epps.html

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-capitol/

^Nothing but spin.

And then there's this nonsense from Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-epps-dominion-idUSL1N2Z91V2

Back to the facts, there's this from the Congressional hearings:


https://t.co/JV1cITkprd

Okay, so I do find it odd that a person who orchestrated the Jan 6 thing has not been charged or anything. A logical conclusion is that he was an FBI plant used to pump people up to do bad things they can get in trouble for.

Don't try to claim they don't do that, because they entrapped a local man by doing ecactly that.


I'm going to say Ray Epps was a plant used to pump up people to do illegal things with the FBI just waiting to spring a trap because he was working with them.
 
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It was Trump and his band of merry speakers who were pumping up the violence. Trump and his people also organized the insurrection. They financed it too. Trump organized it all and will pay for doing it.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
One of the recent mantras trotted out by the Murdock media and like minded extreme right wing pundits and sycophants. Here's the problem: the general population has become lazy regarding proper research and the use of critical thinking. Relying on one source without keeping abreast of current affairs via multiple HISTORICALLY VALID & DOCUMENTED SOURCES makes one's final determinations susceptible to fraud.

When Fox News and its like minded entities were caught chronically lying to the American public, their counter punch was to actually do honest research in analyzing folk who criticized them. However, ANY inaccuracies or flaws found were touted as full blown and constant media bias. Thus, folk like you can easily dismiss any fact check that disproves your beliefs or declarations.....much akin to the Orange Oaf's declaring any and everything "Fake News".

So the immediate question comes to mind....whom do you consider an impeccable source of information? And how do you logically and factually determine who is telling the truth?

Apply those question to what I previously posted and see if your assertions pass the muster. As shown, the Ray Epps legend is just pure amalgamated propaganda repeated by like minded entities. Apply logical, critical analysis to all information available, and the Epps story falls apart.

Oh, and this might help you out:

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias



Okay, your assertion is that the Ray Epps thing is a nothingburger. Now I don't know much about that; So I'm going to see if I can find anything to either prove or disprove your assertion. Let's see how it goes! :D

Oh, and I've seen that site posted 100s of times, usually by people wanting to use the site's assessment to promote original fallacy. Starting right now at around 8:30, here I go!

Okay, there's this: Epps is a former president of the "Oath Keepers", was present in Washington on the 5th and the 6th, was directing people to the Congress building.

"Ray Epps, a Marine veteran, was seen in video urging a group of Trump supporters in Washington DC to 'go into the Capitol' on January 5 and 6
DailyMail.com located Epps, 60, who is at the center of a conspiracy theory alleging he was an FBI plant sent to help incite the deadly riot
Epps is the former president of the largest chapter of the far-right anti- government militia group the Oath Keepers
His alleged involvement in the deadly insurrection was highlighted in the DOJ's House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing in October
U.S Representative Thomas Massie (R-KY) showed video clips of Epps repeatedly encouraging protestors on the streets of DC to 'go into' the Capitol"

"The vacuum of corroborated facts about the person identified by the FBI in photograph “16” has been filled with speculation stemming from a video showing crowds chanting “Fed! Fed! Fed!” after Mr Epps said on 5 January, “Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol”."

"Mr Epps’s image was included on the FBI Capitol Violence most wanted list, but it was removed around July last year."

https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-capitol-riot-figure-140228875.html



There's no denying he was there:

"Ray Epps told The Arizona Republic in a brief telephone interview Monday that he had traveled to the capital for the event, and that he had been advised by an attorney not to speak about it. "

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...stigation-arizona-trump-supporter/6624406002/


Kinzinger and the AP try to spin it all kinds of ways, but that doesn't mean they're not running contrary to the facts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/politics/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-ray-epps.html

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-capitol/

^Nothing but spin.

And then there's this nonsense from Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-epps-dominion-idUSL1N2Z91V2

Back to the facts, there's this from the Congressional hearings:


https://t.co/JV1cITkprd

Okay, so I do find it odd that a person who orchestrated the Jan 6 thing has not been charged or anything. A logical conclusion is that he was an FBI plant used to pump people up to do bad things they can get in trouble for.

Don't try to claim they don't do that, because they entrapped a local man by doing ecactly that.


I'm going to say Ray Epps was a plant used to pump up people to do illegal things with the FBI just waiting to spring a trap because he was working with them.

Jeezus, you do shovel it greatly when proven wrong! Throwing any and everything out there in hopes for a cloud cover of the basic flaw in your premise.

1. I didn't "assert" about the Epps story, I PROVED it to be bogus propaganda using a collection of valid, documented FACTS. See, if you had actually read the contents of the source carefully and comprehensively, you would have seen the internal links for documentation.

2. You think trying to isolate various articles with out of context quotes accompanied BY YOUR BIAS OPINION is proof that Epps is a legitimate story. Hint: it isn't, because the intellectually honest reader will read the contents of my link carefully and comprehensively to see your folly.

3. D'Souza as a source??!?! A convicted criminal with a documented history of right wing bias and lies. Puh-leeze!

4. Again, your personal conclusions are of no consequence because you just re-arrange and edit out information available to suit your agenda. That dog of yours won't fly.


If the FBI removes a picture, it means its agents no longer need the public’s assistance in identifying him, Daniel Richman, a former federal prosecutor who was an advisor to former FBI Director James B. Comey, told us in a phone interview.

There are many reasons that the FBI would remove Epps’ photo without filing charges during an ongoing investigation, Richman said, including that he may have spoken to investigators and clarified his role or that he is cooperating with investigators and may implicate others.

“It’s very much a work in progress from the government’s perspective,” said Richman, who also was a consultant to the Department of Justice.

It’s worth noting that Epps’ picture isn’t the only one the FBI has removed. The bureau has also removed photos of individuals numbered 310, 311 and 312, for example. In other cases, the FBI has labeled those in the pictures as having been arrested — individual number 313 is an example of that.

The most common charge for those arrested following Jan. 6 is entering or remaining in a restricted federal building, so it’s also noteworthy that none of the videos included in Revolver’s posts show Epps inside the Capitol building. In fact, two of them appear to show Epps trying to mitigate confrontation between protesters and police outside.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney who co-chaired the attorney general’s advisory committee’s terrorism and national security subcommittee, told us something similar to Richman in an email.

“It is quite possible that insufficient evidence exists to charge him with a crime, either because his conduct did not amount to criminal behavior or the facts cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt,” she said. “It could also be that he has agreed to cooperate, and so any charges are being deferred until prosecutors are able to assess the value of his cooperation.”

McQuade also noted that inciting violence at a protest would violate the FBI’s Domestic Investigations and Operation Guide, which, she said, “prohibits the FBI from interfering
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-centers-on-baseless-claim-about-ray-epps/
 
Jeezus, you do shovel it greatly when proven wrong! Throwing any and everything out there in hopes for a cloud cover of the basic flaw in your premise.

1. I didn't "assert" about the Epps story, I PROVED it to be bogus propaganda using a collection of valid, documented FACTS. See, if you had actually read the contents of the source carefully and comprehensively, you would have seen the internal links for documentation.

2. You think trying to isolate various articles with out of context quotes accompanied BY YOUR BIAS OPINION is proof that Epps is a legitimate story. Hint: it isn't, because the intellectually honest reader will read the contents of my link carefully and comprehensively to see your folly.

3. D'Souza as a source??!?! A convicted criminal with a documented history of right wing bias and lies. Puh-leeze!

4. Again, your personal conclusions are of no consequence because you just re-arrange and edit out information available to suit your agenda. That dog of yours won't fly.


If the FBI removes a picture, it means its agents no longer need the public’s assistance in identifying him, Daniel Richman, a former federal prosecutor who was an advisor to former FBI Director James B. Comey, told us in a phone interview.

There are many reasons that the FBI would remove Epps’ photo without filing charges during an ongoing investigation, Richman said, including that he may have spoken to investigators and clarified his role or that he is cooperating with investigators and may implicate others.

“It’s very much a work in progress from the government’s perspective,” said Richman, who also was a consultant to the Department of Justice.

It’s worth noting that Epps’ picture isn’t the only one the FBI has removed. The bureau has also removed photos of individuals numbered 310, 311 and 312, for example. In other cases, the FBI has labeled those in the pictures as having been arrested — individual number 313 is an example of that.

The most common charge for those arrested following Jan. 6 is entering or remaining in a restricted federal building, so it’s also noteworthy that none of the videos included in Revolver’s posts show Epps inside the Capitol building. In fact, two of them appear to show Epps trying to mitigate confrontation between protesters and police outside.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney who co-chaired the attorney general’s advisory committee’s terrorism and national security subcommittee, told us something similar to Richman in an email.

“It is quite possible that insufficient evidence exists to charge him with a crime, either because his conduct did not amount to criminal behavior or the facts cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt,” she said. “It could also be that he has agreed to cooperate, and so any charges are being deferred until prosecutors are able to assess the value of his cooperation.”

McQuade also noted that inciting violence at a protest would violate the FBI’s Domestic Investigations and Operation Guide, which, she said, “prohibits the FBI from interfering
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-centers-on-baseless-claim-about-ray-epps/

All of what you're claiming hinges on this: "Daniel Richman, a former federal prosecutor who was an advisor to former FBI Director James B. Comey, told us in a phone interview.". Everything you claim does, and that's not facts or anything, that's just what

he says, ergo..no real evidence. Nothing but an argument from authority fallacy with literally zero evidence. The evidence speaks as to otherwise. And it's not like the FBI doesn't violate a lot of things. (these days)

The 4th amendment, entrapment laws; The FBI doesn't care about the Constitution. :nono:

You lose.

Facts:

1) Ray Epps was high up in the Oath Keepers.

2) He was in D.C. 1/5-6 2021

3) There are pictures and witnesses that corroborate what he said and did. Instigating people to go to the Congress building

4) He was never charged with anything yet many others were.

My conclusion is that he was an FBI plant. I've seen this type of thing go down locally. Entrapment, really. Ginning up a crime when there was none.

All you have is "Fact-Check's" alleged phone interview with this Daniel Richman guy that isn't even in the government anymore, and no proof of their interview. That's failure, there.

Even if there is proof of what he said, that doesn't amount to a hill of beans, brah. And I doubt you even have that.

So, no; Your weaksauce sucks. Try harder.

From an objective viewpoint, you have not proven anything, and I halfass have. .5-0

You got anything else?
 
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