Another example of high-speed fail

[T. A. Gardner]

How much did that cost, and how many exits are there?

The upper deck goes across the downtown section of Austin for like 10 + miles and is for through traffic that isn't getting off the interstate in Austin. The lower deck has the usual exits about a mile apart and is for local traffic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That's what govt. is for.

Your tax dollars at waste...

 

[Althea]

Your tax dollars at waste...

Who do you think built that highway?

 

[Celticguy]

LMAO. Planes can land anywhere?

given the construction of the Interstate Highway System, pretty much.

 

[katzgar]

Your tax dollars at waste...

The interstate system was a really really big deal this is something educated people know so it is just totally out of your grasp

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The interstate system was a really really big deal this is something educated people know so it is just totally out of your grasp

Yea, the interstate system works. Lots and lots of people use it. Passenger fail doesn't work and nobody but retards like Biden use it. High speed fail just fails at a greater cost and faster rate.

 

[RB 60]

120!

120mph? That would have TDAK shitting himself!

 

[katzgar]

So the purpose of government is to squander billions of dollars on a losing project and squander MORE to keep it 'maintained'. Gotit.

yup, you just described the pentagon

 

[Matt Dillon]

Meh.

This is burst speed. Most of the line will be slower due to track problems, ballasting problems, curves, elevation changes, stations to stop at along the way, etc. Don't forget that trains are susceptible to collisions with wildlife, cars and trucks (soon or later there's always some idiot stuck on the tracks!), rail ring (a typical problem with government run railroads), etc.

Also remember that this spiffy ad put out by the SOTC government presupposes the system is already built and running without any of these problems.

There is no right of way yet.
There is no track yet.
There is no train system yet.
There is no rolling stock yet.
There is no money to build it yet.
There is no money to run it yet.

^He's right about the burst speed. Most of the time it was 60-90. There's something about that route that's faster than most, too. Idk.

Uhm, if the CA train ever does get finished, it'll just be used by thieves to loot stores in L.A. and San Francisco.

Those places are in bad shape, brah. I don't see retail stores being able to make it with theft being virtually legalized.

 

[Into the Night]

Who do you think built that highway?

Do you know what a post road is?

 

[Into the Night]

given the construction of the Interstate Highway System, pretty much.

Well, they can land on a freeway. They can sometimes even take off again, once State troopers close down traffic long enough for the purpose.

 

[Into the Night]

Yea, the interstate system works. Lots and lots of people use it. Passenger fail doesn't work and nobody but retards like Biden use it. High speed fail just fails at a greater cost and faster rate.

Katzguts seems to feel that a road and a railway are the same thing!

 

[Into the Night]

^He's right about the burst speed. Most of the time it was 60-90. There's something about that route that's faster than most, too. Idk.

Uhm, if the CA train ever does get finished, it'll just be used by thieves to loot stores in L.A. and San Francisco.

Those places are in bad shape, brah. I don't see retail stores being able to make it with theft being virtually legalized.

Retail stores are closing in these areas. There is no point conducting business there.

 

[Celticguy]

Well, they can land on a freeway. They can sometimes even take off again, once State troopers close down traffic long enough for the purpose.

Point was of course that there are airports in every city of any real size so a plane can be assigned to fly between any two that have the demand as opposed to high speed rail which can only go where their special tracks exist.

 

[Into the Night]

Point was of course that there are airports in every city of any real size so a plane can be assigned to fly between any two that have the demand as opposed to high speed rail which can only go where their special tracks exist.

Quite right. Those special tracks have to built the entire way, and are difficult to maintain. An airport is just a runway and possibly a terminal building. Nothing needs to be built in between.

Any navigation stations are small and easily built.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Quite right. Those special tracks have to built the entire way, and are difficult to maintain. An airport is just a runway and possibly a terminal building. Nothing needs to be built in between.

Any navigation stations are small and easily built.

With high speed fail, you have to have other considerations built in:

The track has to be grade separated. Unlike normal rail, you need to put barriers up in many areas to prevent persons from getting near the track due to the speed of the train. Roads and such have to have over or under passes built rather than grade level crossings at all points where they cross the fail line.
The track has to be installed with a greater degree of precision raising its cost of installation
The track has to be a separate line from that used by freight rail, etc. That is, just high speed fail runs on it meaning a lower utilization rate and resulting higher costs due to the lower density of rail traffic on it.
The cost of the train itself is much higher as well due to higher speed. It's like putting the Concorde supersonic airliner in service only worse.

 

[Into the Night]

With high speed fail, you have to have other considerations built in:

The track has to be grade separated. Unlike normal rail, you need to put barriers up in many areas to prevent persons from getting near the track due to the speed of the train. Roads and such have to have over or under passes built rather than grade level crossings at all points where they cross the fail line.

Always a good idea with high speed rail. If you run at grade, you must slow down for crossings, and animals can jump the barriers.

The track has to be installed with a greater degree of precision raising its cost of installation

Yes. The ballast has to be higher grade, or fully tied to reinforced concrete the whole way, and the rails must be welded into a continuous rail. Lots of thermite and the equipment to use it.

The track has to be a separate line from that used by freight rail, etc. That is, just high speed fail runs on it meaning a lower utilization rate and resulting higher costs due to the lower density of rail traffic on it.

Also true. Freight trains are large and slower. Switching, signalling, and block management requires slowdowns in switching areas and waiting for freight trains to clear the block.

The cost of the train itself is much higher as well due to higher speed. It's like putting the Concorde supersonic airliner in service only worse.

The rolling stock is more expensive than normal, certainly. If maglev is used, you have the additional costs associated with that, including a lot of extra power distribution to handle the magnets.

The Concorde WAS put into service. It saw most service over the Atlantic. It used a lot of fuel though, the reason the Concorde was retired.
We have one at the museum at Boeing Field in Seattle. Did you know this aircraft not only had a nose wheel, but was also a tail dragger?

Yup. It has a tail wheel AND a nose wheel!

The reason for the tail wheel was due to the delta wing the aircraft used. This wing requires a high angle of attack just to get airborne. The tail could easily touch the runway on takeoff on landing.

An amazing plane, really. It just couldn't pay it's freight as the cost of fuel went up.

 

[Celticguy]

Quite right. Those special tracks have to built the entire way, and are difficult to maintain. An airport is just a runway and possibly a terminal building. Nothing needs to be built in between.

Any navigation stations are small and easily built.

and they're already everywhere any real volume of people want to go.

 

[Into the Night]

and they're already everywhere any real volume of people want to go.

Where?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

and they're already everywhere any real volume of people want to go.

Not in the US they aren't.

Why There Is No Ballast On High Speed Rail Track?

http://www.railjoint.com/news/why-no-ballast-on-high-speed-rail-track.html

US rail lines use ballast because they have to handle the much heavier loads of freight trains. High speed fail trains are very light by comparison and their speed will cause some ballast to be "splashed," that is, thrown in the air presenting a hazard.

Thus, why if the US were to pursue high speed fail, new right-of-way for lines would have to be purchased (grotesquely expensive), and new rail installed (very expensive).