Bill Maher strikes again!

NiftyNiblick said:
He reveals a lot of disturbing things about our nation and its many deficiencies, though.
I would not have done what he did--leave the UK to come here. Their food sucks, but not for people with money,
and they have a National Health Service.
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I read a lot. I do not need someone on TV telling me what I am supposed to think.
 
BidenPresident said:
I know what the term means. How am I "displaying" it?
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By immediately labeling me with a political party/ideology because I dare to disagree with the group mentality that you seem to share. True Independent voters vote for the ideas/proposals that benefit EVERYONE or they reserve the right to disagree with the political party that occasionally does NOT reflect their views.

Given my history on this site, for you to label me a right winger is absurd, if not a bald faced lie.

And to date, no one discusses the content of the OP link. Wonder why.
 
Taichiliberal said:
By immediately labeling me with a political party/ideology because I dare to disagree with the group mentality that you seem to share. True Independent voters vote for the ideas/proposals that benefit EVERYONE or they reserve the right to disagree with the political party that occasionally does NOT reflect their views.

Given my history on this site, for you to label me a right winger is absurd, if not a bald faced lie.

And to date, no one discusses the content of the OP link. Wonder why.
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I never look at videos. Waste of my time

And you are probably a conservative, as only conservatives use the independent label.
 
BidenPresident said:
I never look at videos. Waste of my time

And you are probably a conservative, as only conservatives use the independent label.
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So you're just a blathering buffoon with an inflated ego. Face it toodles, you don't have the cojones to openly discuss some topics because you might be proven wrong in public. Hell, if you know so god damn much, then you would know that only a complete fool comments on something he's willfully ignorant about. In this case, you can't even muster a decent debate on the topic at hand.

You're done, toodles. I don't waste time on the willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn. Adios.
 
Taichiliberal said:
So you're just a blathering buffoon with an inflated ego. Face it toodles, you don't have the cojones to openly discuss some topics because you might be proven wrong in public. Hell, if you know so god damn much, then you would know that only a complete fool comments on something he's willfully ignorant about. In this case, you can't even muster a decent debate on the topic at hand.

You're done, toodles. I don't waste time on the willfully ignorant and insipidly stubborn. Adios.
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You are just another hate troll. No one will miss you.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ever since the debut of "Politically Incorrect", comedian/actor/social commentator Bill Maher has pretty much garnered praise and condemnation for every side of the political/social/religious/economic fence in America. As such, there have been many times when I've strongly disagreed with him, but there have also been times when I've said, " Good on ya for publicly saying that, Bill!". This clip falls into the latter category:


Bill Maher’s Takedown of the LGBTQ Trend Among America’s Youth


https://www.wibc.com/kendall-and-ca...down-of-the-lgbtq-trend-among-americas-youth/
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I am not even a little bothered by the growth of people identifying as LGBandQ. If people experiment more growing up than before, fine. Even if that means more of them eventually figure out it's not really for them, no harm no foul. It may be a bit awkward, looking back, in the same sense as remembering you used to be really into ska or that you were briefly a Young Republican. But that's the process of self discovery and there's no reason to clutch pearls about it.

The same is true for any trans experimentation without lasting physical impact. If you went through a phase when you wore dresses and used a girl name and them grew up to consider yourself a guy, cool, you'll just be a more interesting and empathetic guy for having gone through that phase. But where Maher, JK Rowling, and others have a point is when it comes to anything where youthful exploration of identity may lead to major physical repercussions that are lifelong and irreversible. In those cases, we really do need to look long and hard at the research to try to get a feel for when children tend to be right enough about the direction they want to head to start making those kinds of lasting choices.

I really don't know what the right answer here is, since I haven't even come close to studying this enough to have the facts. But I have a sense for the framework of such a policy. Basically, if the data supports the idea that a given kid is significantly more likely than not to be right about how he or she will feel about a physical gender transition as an adult, then preserve the option of making the smoothest transition, with puberty blockers, etc. But if the data suggests the person is as likely or more likely to regret that later, don't start down that path until there's more certainty.
 
Mina said:
I am not even a little bothered by the growth of people identifying as LGBandQ. If people experiment more growing up than before, fine. Even if that means more of them eventually figure out it's not really for them, no harm no foul. It may be a bit awkward, looking back, in the same sense as remembering you used to be really into ska or that you were briefly a Young Republican. But that's the process of self discovery and there's no reason to clutch pearls about it.

The same is true for any trans experimentation without lasting physical impact. If you went through a phase when you wore dresses and used a girl name and them grew up to consider yourself a guy, cool, you'll just be a more interesting and empathetic guy for having gone through that phase. But where Maher, JK Rowling, and others have a point is when it comes to anything where youthful exploration of identity may lead to major physical repercussions that are lifelong and irreversible. In those cases, we really do need to look long and hard at the research to try to get a feel for when children tend to be right enough about the direction they want to head to start making those kinds of lasting choices.

I really don't know what the right answer here is, since I haven't even come close to studying this enough to have the facts. But I have a sense for the framework of such a policy. Basically, if the data supports the idea that a given kid is significantly more likely than not to be right about how he or she will feel about a physical gender transition as an adult, then preserve the option of making the smoothest transition, with puberty blockers, etc. But if the data suggests the person is as likely or more likely to regret that later, don't start down that path until there's more certainty.
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Fair enough.

I go by experience: my family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally when the parents worked late ... 2 girls, 1 boy ... the boy being the youngest. Around 1st grade age, we noticed the boy started emulating some of the mannerism of his older sisters. My brothers caught it, asked him why and he responded that's how they (he and his sisters) interact. Well, the father had caught this and went old school .... he said "from now own, he does boy work, and they do girl work...same with play time." A bit extreme, but when the kid got to grade school and started interacting with more kids (boys and girls), he dropped the mimicry.

That's why I shake my head when I see these single parent female celebs immediately assign a "bisexual" or "transgender" label to their adopted kid the nano-second they do something similar to what I describe above .... which is why I found Maher's screed most telling.
 
Taichiliberal said:
That's why I shake my head when I see these single parent female celebs immediately assign a "bisexual" or "transgender" label to their adopted kid the nano-second they do something similar to what I describe above .... which is why I found Maher's screed most telling.
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Why do you care? Don't you have any important things to worry about?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Fair enough.

I go by experience: my family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally when the parents worked late ... 2 girls, 1 boy ... the boy being the youngest. Around 1st grade age, we noticed the boy started emulating some of the mannerism of his older sisters. My brothers caught it, asked him why and he responded that's how they (he and his sisters) interact. Well, the father had caught this and went old school .... he said "from now own, he does boy work, and they do girl work...same with play time." A bit extreme, but when the kid got to grade school and started interacting with more kids (boys and girls), he dropped the mimicry.

That's why I shake my head when I see these single parent female celebs immediately assign a "bisexual" or "transgender" label to their adopted kid the nano-second they do something similar to what I describe above .... which is why I found Maher's screed most telling.
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I don't see any need either for the label, nor for the panicked response of the father trying to impose gender norms. At least until the kids get to puberty, it's all low-stakes stuff. If a boy wants to wear a dress, fine. If a girl wants go by a boy name, whatever, It's all part of a process of getting to know themselves. The stakes just get high when puberty shows up, because at that point you've got a couple longer-term risks:

(1) If the kid later grows up and wants to physically transition, but puberty went ahead as normal, that's never going to be a very elegant transition -- the person will end up trying to live as a very mannish woman or womanish man for life, when intervention may have led to a brighter future.

(2) If the kid later grows up and doesn't want to transition, but puberty was blocked, then you'll have a similar problem, where the person may end up having to live with an androgynous body, and maybe reproductive issues or other medical problems from that intervention.

It's possible to screw up in either direction, so I really don't envy the parents who have to help their kids navigate that -- trying to figure out whether it's a phase or something lasting, with so little data or guidance to work with.
 
Mina said:
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Fair enough.

I go by experience: my family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally when the parents worked late ... 2 girls, 1 boy ... the boy being the youngest. Around 1st grade age, we noticed the boy started emulating some of the mannerism of his older sisters. My brothers caught it, asked him why and he responded that's how they (he and his sisters) interact. Well, the father had caught this and went old school .... he said "from now own, he does boy work, and they do girl work...same with play time." A bit extreme, but when the kid got to grade school and started interacting with more kids (boys and girls), he dropped the mimicry.

That's why I shake my head when I see these single parent female celebs immediately assign a "bisexual" or "transgender" label to their adopted kid the nano-second they do something similar to what I describe above .... which is why I found Maher's screed most telling.
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I don't see any need either for the label, nor for the panicked response of the father trying to impose gender norms. At least until the kids get to puberty, it's all low-stakes stuff. If a boy wants to wear a dress, fine. If a girl wants go by a boy name, whatever, It's all part of a process of getting to know themselves. The stakes just get high when puberty shows up, because at that point you've got a couple longer-term risks:

(1) If the kid later grows up and wants to physically transition, but puberty went ahead as normal, that's never going to be a very elegant transition -- the person will end up trying to live as a very mannish woman or womanish man for life, when intervention may have led to a brighter future.

(2) If the kid later grows up and doesn't want to transition, but puberty was blocked, then you'll have a similar problem, where the person may end up having to live with an androgynous body, and maybe reproductive issues or other medical problems from that intervention.

It's possible to screw up in either direction, so I really don't envy the parents who have to help their kids navigate that -- trying to figure out whether it's a phase or something lasting, with so little data or guidance to work with.
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The MAJOR flaw in your entire response lies within the first paragraph. You are ignoring the FACT that the child is looking to the elders for guidance and examples in how to act. It is natural for pre-pubescent to seek such...that's how they learn, that's how they grow, get to "know themselves". The story I related is not unique. To let things go as you suggest would definitely lead to some type of angst upon puberty...let alone acclimation to a society where the vast majority are self identified by their physical/biological gender. Like it or not, parents can't push what is not there.

My point is that you can't just blur everything into a gray area where one can merely call it as they see it and never be wrong. If a kid is going to grow up to be gay or whatever, that will come out eventually. Nothing in life is 100% pain free or easy. Trying to make it such is part of the problem. You are right in that there is no easy solution to developing a happy and well rounded person no matter what the sexual identity is. Demonization and denial is not the answer, but neither is over-reacting in promotion of a perception.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ever since the debut of "Politically Incorrect", comedian/actor/social commentator Bill Maher has pretty much garnered praise and condemnation for every side of the political/social/religious/economic fence in America. As such, there have been many times when I've strongly disagreed with him, but there have also been times when I've said, " Good on ya for publicly saying that, Bill!". This clip falls into the latter category:

Bill Maher’s Takedown of the LGBTQ Trend Among America’s Youth


https://www.wibc.com/kendall-and-ca...down-of-the-lgbtq-trend-among-americas-youth/
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Watched the video. One of the rare times I agree with you and Bill. But it happens and I’m not ashamed to acknowledge it.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The MAJOR flaw in your entire response lies within the first paragraph. You are ignoring the FACT that the child is looking to the elders for guidance and examples in how to act. It is natural for pre-pubescent to seek such...that's how they learn, that's how they grow, get to "know themselves". The story I related is not unique. To let things go as you suggest would definitely lead to some type of angst upon puberty...let alone acclimation to a society where the vast majority are self identified by their physical/biological gender. Like it or not, parents can't push what is not there.

My point is that you can't just blur everything into a gray area where one can merely call it as they see it and never be wrong. If a kid is going to grow up to be gay or whatever, that will come out eventually. Nothing in life is 100% pain free or easy. Trying to make it such is part of the problem. You are right in that there is no easy solution to developing a happy and well rounded person no matter what the sexual identity is. Demonization and denial is not the answer, but neither is over-reacting in promotion of a perception.
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grooming children into genital mutilation also never helps.

we are a sexually dimorphic species. live with it.
 
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