christiefan915
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^ Nah, it would be throwing pearls before swine.
Birth Right Citizenship Will It Finally End?
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You completely misinterpret that ruling as usual.
The Fourteenth Amendment’s citizenship clause differed from the common law rule in that it required owing complete allegiance only to the United States in advance rather than automatically bestowed by place of birth, i.e., only children born to parents who owed no foreign allegiance were to be citizens of the United States – that is to say – not only must a child be born but born within the complete allegiance of the United States politically and not merely within its limits. Under the common law rule it did not matter if one was born within the allegiance of another nation.
Under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes the same Congress who had adopted the Fourteenth Amendment had enacted into law, confirmed this principle: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Who are the subjects of a foreign power? Thomas Jefferson said “Aliens are the subjects of a foreign power.” Thus, the statute can be read as All persons born in the United States who are not alien, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.
Sen. Trumbull stated during the drafting of the above national birthright law debates that it was the goal to “make citizens of everybody born in the United States who owe allegiance to the United States,” and if “the negro or white man belonged to a foreign Government he would not be a citizen.”
Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (39th Congress), James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed on March 1, 1866 that children under this class of aliens would not be citizens: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”
What 'Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof' Really Means - The Federalist Blog
Because the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendments first section was to end the denial of those fundamental rights that belong to all United States citizens by
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Yes, it's usually a minority view and useless.
If an ambassador's wife gives birth here, are they a citizen? Yes or no.
If a foreign dignitary's wife drops a baby while visiting the US, is that child a citizen? Yes or no.
The notion that illegals who broke the law to get here, then have babies should be considered automatically citizens is absurd in the extreme and a very weak case to make.
I was born in Germany to American parents. I didn't become a citizen of Germany as a result. I was a citizen of the US.
Your bizarre notions of law come from loons who believe they can interpret the law anyway they see fit to meet their agenda. That is not how it works.
It was a very confusing ruling, but it did not include illegals breaking into the country in violation of our laws.
That claim is absurd in the extreme and far from the intent of the 14th amendment. Now you leftist hacks can bang your tiny little insignificant little fists on the table a scream the contrary, but it doesn't make you less stupid in making such claims.
Tobytone
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Oh boy she's throwing bible verses at me, the irony.
No Brad, you're just stupid.
They aren't "assault" rifles. But even if they were, where does the 1st amendment say the type of arms that one may carry?
Poor analogy as usual.
Who do they owe allegiance to then?
Scut Farkus
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they're the same thing.Subject to and having Jurisdiction are two separate things you uneducated dotard.
Nothing ^ again
You aren't very well versed in Christianity. There are basically two schools of thought. One says believing in Christ is enough and the other says it is deeds that show belief. (By their deeds shall you know them.) The problem with people like you that claim to believe in Christ is you think that by simply saying you believe you can act as badly as you want to. Everyone may be a sinner but to truly believe you should at least make an attempt to not always act like you don't believe. You can lie to yourself about your beliefs all you want. You can't lie to God about them since he sees your deeds.
They certainly don't owe allegiance to a Native American tribe in the US which is how Elk would apply.
Tobytone
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Ok Poor little Dicky, I guess I'm doomed. lol I love getting lectured by a moron. You do happen to be correct when quoting '(By their deeds shall you know them.) it's not quite right but the sentiment is. What it's saying is the more someone learns to behave as Jesus in the New Testament teaches the closer his or her relationship with Christ will be.
I'm better than I was yesterday, so to speak, but I've got a long way to go. That said, it is true that we are all sinners and when a sinners takes three easy steps his/her soul shall have everlasting life. I'm in, are you?
As much as I appreciate your concern for my soul, I've got plenty of people that genuinely care and are at my service when I call upon them, including Jesus Christ. So you can shove that up your ass along with your incorrect, ill informed, and flat out crazy politics. I'll take care of my saved soul without the ramblings of a dumbass like you.
Poor little toddler, thinks he can be saved by acting like a child all the time and attacking others and calling them names. Somehow he thinks it makes him closer to Christ.
Tobytone
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I think you missed the point AGAIN. You're a special kind of moron little Dicky. Read it again and maybe just maybe it will sink in, but we all know that's not happening. lol
Yep, vulgar insults and nasty name-calling are so like Jesus.
Maybe he thinks if he acts like a toddler, Jesus will think he is an innocent child.