Birth Right Citizenship Will It Finally End?

[Scut Farkus]

Buzzword fallacy. Go learn English.

Are you having a schizophrenic episode? Who is 'we'???

this stupid shit is why you're a dumbass..

you have lost the discussion.

just stfu like a normal person.

 

[Walt]

Go learn what 'subject of jurisdiction' means, Wally.

You ever find yourself arrested and in court, and the court finds that you are no jurisdiction, you will be released.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You obviously have no clue what Jesus Christ thinks.

Toby isn't Jesus Christ. You are an idiot however.

 

[Into the Night]

this stupid shit is why you're a dumbass..

you have lost the discussion.

just stfu like a normal person.

You aren't having a discussion.

 

[Into the Night]

You ever find yourself arrested and in court, and the court finds that you are no jurisdiction, you will be released.

Random words. No apparent coherency. What are you trying to say, Wally??

 

[Into the Night]

Toby isn't Jesus Christ. You are an idiot however.

Random phrases. No apparent coherency. I never said Toby was Jesus Christ.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Random phrases. No apparent coherency. I never said Toby was Jesus Christ.

I never said I knew what Jesus Christ thinks. I said Toby thinks he knows that. Your comment was that I was claiming to know what Christ says when I only reference what Toby thinks. But thanks for another rousing edition of Into the Night is an idiot. I look forward to the next episode.

 

[IBDaMann]

WRONG.

Correct. I won't debate it with you. Time will show that you are deliberately spitting gibberish. Birthright citizenship will not change, for the reasons that you are intent on ignoring.

Go learn what a 'subject of jurisdiction' means.

Just promise me that if and when the Supreme Court affirms birthright citizenship, that you will act completely surprised that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is claimed to mean "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Just ... promise ... me.

Also, I will expect you to act totally shocked when you learn that all babies born in the United States who do not have diplomatic immunity are subject to United States jurisdiction ... and I mean totally shocked.

Go learn what "jurisdiction" means.

NOTHING in the 14th amendment magickally confers citizenship on an illegal alien or their offspring.

You need to learn that separate people are separate people. For some reason, you just can't pull that through the intake. Illegal aliens aren't born in the US and are not citizens. A child born in the United States is a citizen. For some inexplicable reason, you can't get beyond the notion that a child born in the US is a US citizen despite other people being illegal immigrants. Why you can't grasp this, I can't for the life of me figure out, but here we are.

It is unconstitutional to strip inalienable rights from someone as a punishment for someone else's crime. Why you can't grasp this, I can't fathom but you and brain-dead tobytone have tripled-down on stupid on this one. You're going to lose, you're going to be frustrated and you will have done it to yourself.

I recommend you take the do-over.

Illegal aliens broke the law.

We're not talking about them. Stay focused.

A child born in the US has broken what law?

They are subject to deportation, along with their child.

Sure. The child is a citizen.

Only those that are subjects of jurisdiction of the United States are citizens.

Correct. How is this confusing you?

Illegal aliens are NOT subjects of jurisdiction of the United States.

You can't even remain focused on the topic. HELLO! Get back to the child born in the US. You are on tap to explain what law the child has broken. Don't talk about other people; they're totally irrelevant. What crime has the child committed?

Oh, and the child born in the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Chew on that; you need to act completely surprised when you "learn" this.

They are subject of jurisdiction of their originating country.

The US is the originating country of all children born in the US. So, what crime has the child committed?

They broke the law coming here.

Which law specifically has the child broken?

Go learn what a subject of jurisdiction is.

Go learn the jurisdiction of the US.

 

[Into the Night]

I never said I knew what Jesus Christ thinks.

Blatant lie (denial).

I said Toby thinks he knows that.

Blatant lie (inversion).

Your comment was that I was claiming to know what Christ says when I only reference what Toby thinks.

Blatant lie (inversion).

But thanks for another rousing edition of Into the Night is an idiot. I look forward to the next episode.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. I won't debate it with you. Time will show that you are deliberately spitting gibberish. Birthright citizenship will not change, for the reasons that you are intent on ignoring.


Just promise me that if and when the Supreme Court affirms birthright citizenship, that you will act completely surprised that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is claimed to mean "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Just ... promise ... me.

Also, I will expect you to act totally shocked when you learn that all babies born in the United States who do not have diplomatic immunity are subject to United States jurisdiction ... and I mean totally shocked.

Go learn what "jurisdiction" means.



You need to learn that separate people are separate people. For some reason, you just can't pull that through the intake. Illegal aliens aren't born in the US and are not citizens. A child born in the United States is a citizen. For some inexplicable reason, you can't get beyond the notion that a child born in the US is a US citizen despite other people being illegal immigrants. Why you can't grasp this, I can't for the life of me figure out, but here we are.

It is unconstitutional to strip inalienable rights from someone as a punishment for someone else's crime. Why you can't grasp this, I can't fathom but you and brain-dead tobytone have tripled-down on stupid on this one. You're going to lose, you're going to be frustrated and you will have done it to yourself.

I recommend you take the do-over.


We're not talking about them. Stay focused.

A child born in the US has broken what law?



Sure. The child is a citizen.


Correct. How is this confusing you?


You can't even remain focused on the topic. HELLO! Get back to the child born in the US. You are on tap to explain what law the child has broken. Don't talk about other people; they're totally irrelevant. What crime has the child committed?

Oh, and the child born in the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Chew on that; you need to act completely surprised when you "learn" this.


The US is the originating country of all children born in the US. So, what crime has the child committed?


Which law specifically has the child broken?


Go learn the jurisdiction of the US.

Won't work, dude. The Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution.
Subtracting words from the Constitution and playing word games won't work either.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Which law specifically has the child broken?

I suppose it could be argued they entered the US without presenting documentation at the border.

Of course the same could be said of children born to US parents.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Blatant lie (denial).

Blatant lie (inversion).

Blatant lie (inversion).

Assumption of victory fallacy.

And that is the end of another exciting episode of Into the Night is an Idiot

 

[IBDaMann]

Won't work, dude. The Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution.

Exactly. Nobody can be punished for someone else's crime. Nobody's inalienable rights can be stripped for any reason, much less because someone else broke a law.

Subtracting words from the Constitution and playing word games won't work either.

So stop playing word games. By the way, what crime are you claiming that a child born in the US has committed?

You have made it clear that you predict birthright citizenship should and will be abolished per your certainty that citizenship by birth should be stripped if someone else commits a crime. I predict that no Supreme Court is going to legalize punishing people for crimes committed by other people, and will not legitimize the stripping of any inalienable rights because someone else broke a law.

Yes, I find your position unfathomable, and I predict that birthright citizenship will be upheld as a matter of course. As you astutely noted, the Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution.

 

[IBDaMann]

I suppose it could be argued they entered the US without presenting documentation at the border.

I wish to thank you for being the only person who has answered my question.

By the way, any fetus that is smuggled into the US nonetheless becomes born in the US and subject to US jurisdiction, and is addressed in the Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

 

[Into the Night]

Exactly. Nobody can be punished for someone else's crime. Nobody's inalienable rights can be stripped for any reason, much less because someone else broke a law.

So you would rather take the child away from the mother and have it raised by the state. Yeah...THAT's not so smart, IBD. The child is NOT being punished by deportation.

So stop playing word games.

Inversion fallacy. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR PROBLEM ON ME OR ANYBODY ELSE!

By the way, what crime are you claiming that a child born in the US has committed?

So you would rather take the child away from the mother and have it raised by the state.

You have made it clear that you predict birthright citizenship should and will be abolished per your certainty that citizenship by birth should be stripped if someone else commits a crime.

The illegal alien committed a crime. They are subject deportation. So is the child.

I predict that no Supreme Court is going to legalize punishing people for crimes committed by other people, and will not legitimize the stripping of any inalienable rights because someone else broke a law.

Irrelevant. The Supreme Court has no authority to change the Constitution.

Yes, I find your position unfathomable, and I predict that birthright citizenship will be upheld as a matter of course. As you astutely noted, the Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution.

Go learn what a subject of jurisdiction is. The illegal alien AND the child are NOT subjects of United States jurisdiction.

 

[Into the Night]

I wish to thank you for being the only person who has answered my question.

By the way, any fetus that is smuggled into the US nonetheless becomes born in the US and subject to US jurisdiction, and is addressed in the Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

You cannot erase 'and subject to the jurisdiction thereof' from the Constitution with your word games.

 

[Into the Night]

I suppose it could be argued they entered the US without presenting documentation at the border.

Of course the same could be said of children born to US parents.

False equivalence fallacy.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

False equivalence fallacy.

Another episode of Into the Night is an idiot.

The production schedule must be grueling to pump out so many episode per day.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Another episode of Into the Night is an idiot.

The production schedule must be grueling to pump out so many episode per day.

it's easy when you have a formula.

 

[IBDaMann]

So you would rather take the child away from the mother and have it raised by the state.

Noe. The parents can take their child to their country. US Citizens can travel to other countries, even if they are young.

The illegal alien committed a crime. They are subject deportation.

Correct.

So is the child.

Nope. The child will be allowed to travel. Besides, it is not possible to deport a US citizen from the US to the US.

Irrelevant. The Supreme Court has no authority to change the Constitution.

Correct. I predict birthright citizenship will remain intact and predict, for some strange reason, the Trump will somehow be removing inalienable rights by fiat.

Your score is going to take a hit on this one.

Go learn what a subject of jurisdiction is.

Go learn what it is.

The illegal alien AND the child are NOT subjects of United States jurisdiction.

Your score is going to take a two-point deduction.