BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.

Damocles said:
I think he's going to test the wording of the 14th. We do have a SCOTUS that will rule on it, of that I am certain. I don't see much difference between this and Braindead repeatedly trying to exercise the legislative authority through his executive orders. Well one difference, once they've ruled I think Trump will understand that repeating the experience is futile.
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As of September 26, 2024, Biden has143 EOs while trump had 220 in his four years.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
Okay, so you are an expert on the 14th Amendment. Cool. The sole purpose of the 14th Amendment was to ensure full citizenship rights for ex-slaves and their descendants. Is that your opinion?
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That was the reason it was written, but as is wise when writing a piece of a constitution they used broad language so that ideals and concepts of fair treatment of individuals, and definitions of citizens would be used for future situations not yet contemplated.

If the had wanted to they could have used very narrow wording like is done in other amendments. They could have simply said that all former slaves are citizens. They did not, because they desired a framework for future situations such as we are facing now.

Compare the specific and narrow language of the 21 Amendment to the broad and defining language of the 14th. The writers of the 14th clearly intended it to be used in situations far beyond how we treat former slaves.
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
Notice both the projection and their continued cries of "They did it first!" as an excuse.

If Trump, through his DOJ and FBI, does as promised, and seeks to prosecute and jail members of the Congressional investigation into 1/6, how long before Trump has to issue blanket pardons for his own staff in four years because, now that the precedent has been set, they are all facing prison?
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Not long, making them even more above the law than they already have become.
 
Jarod said:
That was the reason it was written, but as is wise when writing a piece of a constitution they used broad language so that ideals and concepts of fair treatment of individuals, and definitions of citizens would be used for future situations not yet contemplated.

If the had wanted to they could have used very narrow wording like is done in other amendments. They could have simply said that all former slaves are citizens. They did not, because they desired a framework for future situations such as we are facing now.

Compare the specific and narrow language of the 21 Amendment to the broad and defining language of the 14th. The writers of the 14th clearly intended it to be used in situations far beyond how we treat former slaves.
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This here "but as is wise when writing a piece of a constitution they used broad language so that ideals and concepts of fair treatment of individuals, and definitions of citizens would be used for future situations not yet contemplated".

I can't find that in the history book. Who told you that?
 
Jarod said:
Are you kidding?
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I know, right? I mean you Stalinists aren't constrained by laws or constitutions. You have a nation to overthrow.

But not only is the Amendment clear in it's wording, we also have a SCOTUS that actually supports the Constitution.

Jarod said:
You do not believe that an undocumented immigrant is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?
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Correct, the illegals defied the jurisdictional authority of the United States by entering illegally.

Jarod said:
How could we deport them if they are not subject to our jurisdiction?
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They are here illegally. You Stalinists will do anything to continue the illegal invasion

Jarod said:
If they commit a crime, are you suggesting the United States has no jurisdiction over them?
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By entering illegally they rejected the jurisdictional authority of the U.S.

Jarod said:
If they make money, do we not have jurisdiction to tax them?
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We don't tax them - despite the lies of you Stalinists.

Jarod said:
Silly as can be.
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You're right to be scared - the great invasion is ending.
 
Nordberg said:
There is a process to create amendments. Trump does not even know that much. It absolutely cannot be changed by executive orders. https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/amending-the-us-constitution That idiot was eleted president.
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Very true.

But the 14th was not interpreted to mean that illegal aliens dropping babies conferred citizenship until the mid-20th. Trump is not overturning the 14th - the OP lied. What he is doing is challenging a rather creative interpretation by the extreme left of a single clause that was interpreted far differently for a hundred years.

The argument that by not submitting to the Jurisdiction of the United States illegals are not the subject of Birthright Citizenship has merit. The SCOTUS will ultimately decide.
 
The 14th Amendment was twisted to make abortion a Constitutional right. It was also twisted to make same-sex marriage a Constitutional right. This Court sent abortion to the states where it belongs. Watch them do the same thing with same-sex marriage.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
The 14th Amendment was twisted to make abortion a Constitutional right. It was also twisted to make same-sex marriage a Constitutional right. This Court sent abortion to the states where it belongs. Watch them do the same thing with same-sex marriage.
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Equal protection under the law is in the Amendment, son. You argued that the 14th was only about slaves even though I showed you it was five parts. The fact you can't comprehend this fact is relevant to my analysis of you. Sad.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
This here "but as is wise when writing a piece of a constitution they used broad language so that ideals and concepts of fair treatment of individuals, and definitions of citizens would be used for future situations not yet contemplated".

I can't find that in the history book. Who told you that?
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That part is my opinion.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
I know, right? I mean you Stalinists aren't constrained by laws or constitutions. You have a nation to overthrow.

But not only is the Amendment clear in it's wording, we also have a SCOTUS that actually supports the Constitution.



Correct, the illegals defied the jurisdictional authority of the United States by entering illegally.



They are here illegally. You Stalinists will do anything to continue the illegal invasion



By entering illegally they rejected the jurisdictional authority of the U.S.



We don't tax them - despite the lies of you Stalinists.



You're right to be scared - the great invasion is ending.
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I know illegals who pay taxes, they use fake SSN's so their employers think they are legal, they pay and do not get their refund.

Defying the jurisdiction or rejecting the jurisdiction does not change the fact that it exists. Are you suggesting that if Citizen breaks the law they are rejecting the jurisdiction of the United States and therefore not subject to prosecution?
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Very true.

But the 14th was not interpreted to mean that illegal aliens dropping babies conferred citizenship until the mid-20th. Trump is not overturning the 14th - the OP lied. What he is doing is challenging a rather creative interpretation by the extreme left of a single clause that was interpreted far differently for a hundred years.

The argument that by not submitting to the Jurisdiction of the United States illegals are not the subject of Birthright Citizenship has merit. The SCOTUS will ultimately decide.
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The plain wording of the amendment is clear, born here means you are a citizen. Reject that as you please, but its clear.
 
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "
 
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