Dems did themselves in!

Nomad said:
Bernie did nothing but hand out false promises of freebies that he never could have delivered on.

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It worked for trump. All elections are rife with such promises. But Bernie was indeed over the top.

Not as bad as trump's idiotic claims of 'much better coverage, and a fraction of the price'...'It will be so easy'.
 
Jarod said:
Sad but I think this is true. Had Hillary not bullied everyone out of the primary and rigged it against her oponants we would likely not have Rump.
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In the end dems thought Trump was a gift from the heavens. hrc was going to do whatever it took to get the nom because in her mind and most everyone else's the GE was a formality.
 
Thing1 said:
Bernie's promises weren't achievable because of Congress, but that's understood for any candidate who is more ideological, either on the right or left. They'll end up with a more watered down version of what they're talking about, but that doesn't mean their ideas aren't worth pursuing and can't fundamentally change the way things are done.

Bernie's "free college" thing, for example. They're already doing that in some states, on a more limited basis. People see it is a huge giveaway, but those are people I would call "ROI challenged." Something like that will pay for itself many times over, and change the American economy as well as our competitiveness worldwide, for the better.

And Bernie understood the issue w/ the disparity between the haves & have nots better than any candidate. That's an issue that someone will HAVE to address at some point.

I still don't know what Hillary's campaign was about. "I'm with her" - it's hard to think of a more meaningless slogan.
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Have and have nots can more accurately be defined as the workers and parasites....

Bernies promises weren't achievable because they are realistically impossible....and stupid giveaways that cannot
and will never 'pay' for themselves....
The 'issue' is overpaid college employees, outrageous pensions and overly generous benefits....
just as it is with most if not all government employees with wages and benefits that are unheard of in
the private sector.....
 
Althea said:
It worked for trump. All elections are rife with such promises. But Bernie was indeed over the top.

Not as bad as trump's idiotic claims of 'much better coverage, and a fraction of the price'...'It will be so easy'.
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Trump knew he was talking to idiots who didn't care if his promises were real or not. They just wanted the bloody red meat he was dispensing.

Sanders knew his starry-eyed, idealistic, inexperienced young supporters believed every word he said.

He took advantage of them.
 
NOVA said:
Have and have nots can more accurately be defined as the workers and parasites....

Bernies promises weren't achievable because they are realistically impossible....and stupid giveaways that cannot
and will never 'pay' for themselves....
The 'issue' is overpaid college employees, outrageous pensions and overly generous benefits....
just as it is with most if not all government employees with wages and benefits that are unheard of in
the private sector.....
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Those bennies are unheard of now, but where they when they were put in place?? No, the politicians, major corps etc has taken a dump on the working class..

Why did you fail to mention over paid CEOs?? & the like?? THeir wages & bennies went way the hell up, much more than those snotty college grads & yet nary a peep..
 
Nomad said:
Trump knew he was talking to idiots who didn't care if his promises were real or not. They just wanted the bloody red meat he was dispensing.

Sanders knew his starry-eyed, idealistic, inexperienced young supporters believed every word he said.

He took advantage of them.
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And Clinton knew her supporters cared very little about facts. :D
 
cawacko said:
Politically educated black voters also know what Bill Clinton did while in office. How does that make Hillary the chosen one?

(Not saying that means black people have to support Hillary but what is so sterling about her?)
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Start with the 'what have you got lose' bullshit from Trump. Now everyone has found out what we have to lose.'

Everyone knows about Clinton's crime bill. His cover was blown long ago. That being said, Hillary Clinton, though not perfect, was certainly closer to perfect than that thing called Trump.

Additionally, she listened to black concerns about the terrorism of police. She promised to address it .. and she would have been held to that promise. If she wanted to be re-elected, she'd have to act on that promise .. and for many of us, police terrorism was on the top of the list.

Additionally, her hawkish ways are well-known, and she knew she would have to govern with a microscope on her foreign policy. Again, she was light years ahead of the perfumed orange assclown now in office.

Blacks had no connection to Sanders, and his answers to black concerns demonstrated he had no connection to us.
 
blackascoal said:
Start with the 'what have you got lose' bullshit from Trump. Now everyone has found out what we have to lose.'

Everyone knows about Clinton's crime bill. His cover was blown long ago. That being said, Hillary Clinton, though not perfect, was certainly closer to perfect than that thing called Trump.

Additionally, she listened to black concerns about the terrorism of police. She promised to address it .. and she would have been held to that promise. If she wanted to be re-elected, she'd have to act on that promise .. and for many of us, police terrorism was on the top of the list.

Additionally, her hawkish ways are well-known, and she knew she would have to govern with a microscope on her foreign policy. Again, she was light years ahead of the perfumed orange assclown now in office.

Blacks had no connection to Sanders, and his answers to black concerns demonstrated he had no connection to us.
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I said nothing about Trump. The discussion was Sanders vs Clinton
 
blackascoal said:
Start with the 'what have you got lose' bullshit from Trump. Now everyone has found out what we have to lose.'

Everyone knows about Clinton's crime bill. His cover was blown long ago. That being said, Hillary Clinton, though not perfect, was certainly closer to perfect than that thing called Trump.

Additionally, she listened to black concerns about the terrorism of police. She promised to address it .. and she would have been held to that promise. If she wanted to be re-elected, she'd have to act on that promise .. and for many of us, police terrorism was on the top of the list.

Additionally, her hawkish ways are well-known, and she knew she would have to govern with a microscope on her foreign policy. Again, she was light years ahead of the perfumed orange assclown now in office.

Blacks had no connection to Sanders, and his answers to black concerns demonstrated he had no connection to us.
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Well, we know what the libs lost.

THE ELECTION

Obama - 2010 - “Elections have consequences.” It’s the political way for winners to tell losers: “Tough luck, you lost. Get over it.”

:dealwithit:
 
Althea said:
40% of eligible black voters chose not to vote. 50% of eligible millenials chose not to vote. In a close election, I think those numbers matter.

Hillary didn't inspire people to come to the polls the way Obama did. The reasons why are certainly open for debate.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/
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Had Sanders been the nominee, only 40% may have supported him.

Hillary wasn't Obama. Wasn't as articulate, wasn't as politically innocent, isn't a man.

Yes, that ceiling still exists.
 
Bill said:
Those bennies are unheard of now, but where they when they were put in place?? No, the politicians, major corps etc has taken a dump on the working class..

Why did you fail to mention over paid CEOs?? & the like?? THeir wages & bennies went way the hell up, much more than those snotty college grads & yet nary a peep..
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CEO's pay IS the private sector....their not paid with tax money that people are FORCED to pay.....
Got a complaint, don't buy their stock and that CEO's won't cost you anything....Don't like a CEO's pay, don't buy their company's products.....
Don't like a football or basketball player getting millions a year to play, don't go to their games
Don't like the cost of Eldorados, buy a Chevy.....
etc.....
 
NOVA said:
CEO's pay IS the private sector....their not paid with tax money that people are FORCED to pay.....

Don't like a CEO's pay, don't buy their company's products.....
Don't like a football or basketball player getting millions a year to play, don't go to their games
Don't like the cost of Eldorados, buy a Chevy.....
etc.....
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I have voted 100% against every compensation package I had the ability to vote on.........

I don't care how much those players make..

That is part of the problem, if you acknowledge it or not......

The money that once went to the workers, the ppl making things, & in turn buying things is now going to the top, one man/women or a few..

THose workers, if still employed can buy less, that does not help the economy.....
 
blackascoal said:
Had Sanders been the nominee, only 40% may have supported him.

Hillary wasn't Obama. Wasn't as articulate, wasn't as politically innocent, isn't a man.

Yes, that ceiling still exists.
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Hillary Clinton, though not perfect, was certainly closer to perfect than that thing called Trump.---BAC

This statement proves your Cognitive Dissonance is fucking out of control.....
 
Taichiliberal said:
I don't argue facts and logic against "belief", as belief requires neither of the aforementioned. "Believe" what you will, but you can't deny the truth of my previous post quoted above.
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I did deny it.

Let me do it again .. Why are you crying about 'context' when I posted the entire article?

Further, to suggest that this article wouldn't have been viewed negatively by a broad swath of democratic voters is just silly .. irrespective of context or what audience was meant to read it.

Let me guess .. you've called out Trump as a pussy-grabber .. but you don't think a fantasy about the gang rape of a 12 year old would cause an uproar? .. and yes, FANTASY is exactly how this would be portrayed whether Sanders meant that or not. A creaky old man's fantasy about rape.

Politics should not be about emotion .. they should be about purpose.
 
NOVA said:
Hillary Clinton, though not perfect, was certainly closer to perfect than that thing called Trump.---BAC

This statement proves your Cognitive Dissonance is fucking out of control.....
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:0) That is so ridiculously mindless that it defies all reason. How that could come from your fingers is mindboggling.

Feel free to explain .. but if I were you, I'd just step away from that ignorance and leave it alone. :0)

Take this with you ..

Trump Gives Thumbs-Up To Cops Taking More Stuff Away From People
The president endorsed civil asset forfeiture, which lets police seize even innocent people’s property.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-asset-forfeiture_us_589a16bce4b0c1284f28be3c
 
blackascoal said:
:0) That is so ridiculously mindless that it defies all reason. How that could come from your fingers is mindboggling.

Feel free to explain .. but if I were you, I'd just step away from that ignorance and leave it alone. :0)

Take this with you ..

Trump Gives Thumbs-Up To Cops Taking More Stuff Away From People
The president endorsed civil asset forfeiture, which lets police seize even innocent people’s property.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-asset-forfeiture_us_589a16bce4b0c1284f28be3c
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No one can reason with you....your mind has only one gear.... It's transfixed you with the terror of inconvenient truth .. your brain becomes motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked.
 
NOVA said:
No one can reason with you....your mind has only one gear.... It's transfixed you with the terror of inconvenient truth .. your brain becomes motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked.
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Sorry, but I didn't ask for your biased unlearned psychological opinion. I asked you to explain your comment. I asked to hear your reasoning.

I see you opted to take my advice and run away from it.
 
Corazón said:
So it was better to let them die from smallpox, cholera, typhoid or starve instead, is that what you're saying? What about all the Jews in concentration camps were they better off dead as well?
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Tom, pretend that the slaves were white. Now, do you accept the virtues of liberty, even in the face of death?
 
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