Dems did themselves in!

Irish said:
Yup. Yet many Sander supporters and libs just went along with the charade. Instead of protesting their own kind.
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They should have stood up &/or left the party as many did in the gop when the dirty got the nomination..
 
Nomad said:
Bernie did nothing but hand out false promises of freebies that he never could have delivered on.

He sold you a bill of goods in the interest of furthering his own political career, then assumed you all were so smitten with him that he could command you to vote for Hillary and you'd obey.

But you didn't.

You ignored your hero's advice and allowed this evil monster to assume the throne.
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Bernie was the first honest politician in decades...even extreme rightards like Minty and Cawako acknowledge his honesty.

Americans are rightly sick of war and Hillary offered nothing but more war.

You stupid fucker
 
Thing1 said:
All she had to do was run a principled campaign, with a real message. She didn't need to go extremist left.

She did nothing to try to win their votes. She tried to use the same old coalitions, and the same establishment strategy that worked in the '90's. She ran a truly terrible campaign.

What you see as selfishness and self-absorption I see as being principled and hopeful about America. Your position is very cynical.
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Same thing everyone says about the campaign of the candidate who finished second.

He/she ran a bad campaign. Trump ran a bad campaign too. You can look back at any campaign and find faults because there is no such thing as a perfect campaign or anything else for that matter.

The issue here is that ol' BS offered a plate full of freebies he knew were pipe dreams and the young, foolish millennials went for it like trout on a lure.

And once again... millennials are not the only group of voters in the country, regardless of how much they think the world revolves around them and their wants.

They are the spoiled, overly pampered generation of children now grown up.
 
Rune said:
Bernie was the first honest politician in decades...even extreme rightards like Minty and Cawako acknowledge his honesty.

Americans are rightly sick of war and Hillary offered nothing but more war.

You stupid fucker
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So you think promising impossible nonsense like universal free college and health care was being honest? :palm:

And YOU call ME "stupid fucker"? :palm:

You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Typical temper tantrum throwing BernieBot.

Gets mad and flings mud because I didn't drink the ol' BS Kool Aid.

Fuck you, stupid fucker.
 
As an objective observer I'd like to weigh in.
Bernie was making promises he couldn't keep yet connected with millennials with his message of free health care, free college, forgive student loans, etc.
hrc was a terrible candidate in all aspects: hawkish nation building, no message, no charisma. I won't even go into her baggage.
Neither was a very good candidate, IMO. Of course neither was Trump but that's besides the scope of this thread.
I thought O'Malley and Webb were pretty decent alternatives to hrc. Not Bernie.
 
aloysious said:
As an objective observer I'd like to weigh in.
Bernie was making promises he couldn't keep yet connected with millennials with his message of free health care, free college, forgive student loans, etc.
hrc was a terrible candidate in all aspects: hawkish nation building, no message, no charisma. I won't even go into her baggage.
Neither was a very good candidate, IMO. Of course neither was Trump but that's besides the scope of this thread.
I thought O'Malley and Webb were pretty decent alternatives to hrc. Not Bernie.
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Bernie's promises weren't achievable because of Congress, but that's understood for any candidate who is more ideological, either on the right or left. They'll end up with a more watered down version of what they're talking about, but that doesn't mean their ideas aren't worth pursuing and can't fundamentally change the way things are done.

Bernie's "free college" thing, for example. They're already doing that in some states, on a more limited basis. People see it is a huge giveaway, but those are people I would call "ROI challenged." Something like that will pay for itself many times over, and change the American economy as well as our competitiveness worldwide, for the better.

And Bernie understood the issue w/ the disparity between the haves & have nots better than any candidate. That's an issue that someone will HAVE to address at some point.

I still don't know what Hillary's campaign was about. "I'm with her" - it's hard to think of a more meaningless slogan.
 
Thing1 said:
Bernie's promises weren't achievable because of Congress, but that's understood for any candidate who is more ideological, either on the right or left. They'll end up with a more watered down version of what they're talking about, but that doesn't mean their ideas aren't worth pursuing and can't fundamentally change the way things are done.

Bernie's "free college" thing, for example. They're already doing that in some states, on a more limited basis. People see it is a huge giveaway, but those are people I would call "ROI challenged." Something like that will pay for itself many times over, and change the American economy as well as our competitiveness worldwide, for the better.

And Bernie understood the issue w/ the disparity between the haves & have nots better than any candidate. That's an issue that someone will HAVE to address at some point.

I still don't know what Hillary's campaign was about. "I'm with her" - it's hard to think of a more meaningless slogan.
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Hillary would have pursued a REALISTIC and ACHIEVABLE (in the real world) left of center agenda, with some possible compromises with moderate Republicans. But hey, that's the real world. Sorry, but you don't get everything you want.

She would have worked to continue and improve Obamacare including expanding Medicaid, pushed for targeted middle class tax cuts, strengthened social security, continued funding for social assistance programs, protected immigrants from the kind of attacks against them that Trump and the GOP are engaged in....

Basically everything the Democratic Party stands for.

Anyone who believes that "war-monger" horse shit about her deserves to live in fucked up Trump World.

As if she would've been out starting wars left and right.

Utter nonsense.
 
blackascoal said:
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Repeating feigned ignorance won't validate your assertion. You KNOW that "us" is the READING AUDIENCE. Capice?

And if you don't understand "out of context" when you harp on one sentence and treat it as independent of the entire paragraph/article, I can't help you.
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No you can't help me believe that this would not have had a devastating effect on Sanders's run for president.
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I don't argue facts and logic against "belief", as belief requires neither of the aforementioned. "Believe" what you will, but you can't deny the truth of my previous post quoted above.
 
Althea said:
Can't argue with any of that. But....kids didn't seem to care that the Supreme Court was hanging in the balance. They didn't seem to care that their healthcare was hanging in the balance. Surely, you have to agree that the older, saner demographic would have fallen in line and voted for Sanders for the aforementioned reasons.

Of course his free college, and single payer platform was a fantasy. But this election was really one of the craziest in history. In the end, the Democrat base would have done exactly what the Republican base did.....vote against the 'other'.
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policies are AGREED upon...and since the concept of money is an agreed upon concept, single payer and free college is not a "fantasy"....it's just something that folks who like money, power and dominance don't want to see happen.
 
I would LMAO at the people who desperately try to disassociate the GOP from Trump and his campaign if I didn't have to live with the consequences.
 
TTQ64 said:
Sorry, don't blame Blacks for this ignorant fuck being in office. We came out for Clinton, especially Black women.

Americans came out for Clinton. The election was stolen.

Our election laws need to change. They are outdated and slanted for he racist right.
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40% of eligible black voters chose not to vote. 50% of eligible millenials chose not to vote. In a close election, I think those numbers matter.

Hillary didn't inspire people to come to the polls the way Obama did. The reasons why are certainly open for debate.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/
 
Nomad said:
Sanders isn't even a Democrat.

Why should the DNC have had to allow some carpetbagger to come in and hijack the election away from the candidate they preferred?

The only reason he was so popular with millennials is because of his false promises of fee health care and free college tuition, which anyone with a brain knows never would have happened. Trump's wall has a better chance.

The Republicans would've eviscerated him in the general election, too.

Had he managed to do the impossible and pull out a win, he would've gotten the same treatment Obama did.

If more of the BernBots had supported Clinton, we might still have an obstructed President, but at least we'd have a sane, competent one.

Bernie is at least partly responsible for Trump.
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I agree with the obstruction issue, but there is no denying that Dems. would have the Senate, and possibly the House if Bernie voters came out to vote for him.
 
blackascoal said:
Help me here .. I'm not sure why anyone thinks that Sanders should be the nominee of a party he refuses to join. He's not a democrat.

Politically educated black voters were not going to support Sanders. I'm as politically educated as anyone .. and I'm a socialist, but I've never supported Sanders. In the primary, Sanders got 23% of the black vote.

But you're right of course. We will never know.

That being said, hopefully democrats won't be trying to nominate Sanders again in 2020.
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In theory, Bernie didn't run as an Independent so that he wouldn't 'Nader' Hillary in the general. He caucuses with Dems, but I don't think he expected the wave of support that he got. I think he just wanted to pull Hillary to the left.


Politically educated people like yourself weren't thrilled with Hillary either. She was, for some reason, getting the blame for Bill's crime bill that inadvertently increased the black prison population geometrically. In the end, I think that you would have weighed the risk of giving away the Supreme Court, and reluctantly voted for Sanders.
 
Speaking of wanting to give free things Kamela Harris just tweeted she will be co-sponsoring Medicare for All legislation. The person who re-tweeted it wrote is this another McGovern vs. Nixon?
 
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