Drunken Jet Blue pilot removed from cockpit; 0.17% on breathalyzer

[Walt]

Again, im talking about a greater cultural phenomenon.

I am coming up with specific cases where the exact opposite of what you are saying is true, including in this specific case, and you are claiming there is some "greater cultural phenomenon" which has no specific cases to support it.

Let's say hypothetically speaking there is a greater cultural phenomenon that all Republicans are Muslim. Sure you can come up with lots of specific cases where this Republican or that Republican are not Muslim, and even are extremely anti-Muslim, but you are just talking specifics, and not about the greater cultural phenomenon that all Republicans are Muslim. Can you see how logic is flawed?

 

[Walt]

I'll raise you on that one.

To understand this joke, you have to realize that William Shatner was in the original terror at 20,000 feet, and John Lithgow was in the remake in the Twilight Zone Movie

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I am coming up with specific cases where the exact opposite of what you are saying is true, including in this specific case, and you are claiming there is some "greater cultural phenomenon" which has no specific cases to support it.

Let's say hypothetically speaking there is a greater cultural phenomenon that all Republicans are Muslim. Sure you can come up with lots of specific cases where this Republican or that Republican are not Muslim, and even are extremely anti-Muslim, but you are just talking specifics, and not about the greater cultural phenomenon that all Republicans are Muslim. Can you see how logic is flawed?

Yes. your party is a swirl of contradictory bullshit.

 

[Walt]

Yes. your party is a swirl of contradictory bullshit.

By your logic, your party is completely Muslim.

 

[evince]

I dunno. I had a gummy once and for some reason decided to run to the gas station about 15 minutes away. Probably to get Doritos. At any rate, by the time I got to the end of the driveway, which seemed to take at least 20 minutes, I decided that maybe it would be a better idea to stay home.

Edibles do nothing to me


I barely feel anything

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Most of the people for "banning the box" are Democrats. Basically, they want employers not to ask whether you have been convicted of a crime in the past. We can let people get on with their lives, without having to try to explain a several decade old conviction.

Meanwhile, Republicans are completely against banning the box.

Interesting discussion. I hadn't heard the term before but agree it's a problem. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...agement/pages/ban-the-box-movement-viral.aspx

It balances the individual right to "get on with their lives" versus the right of a parent to know a pedophile was just hired to be a babysitter.

Obviously there are lots of crimes no one should give a shit about such as a carrying possession in the 70s resulting in a conviction. I readily agree our society isn't helping Americans "get on with their lives". It's a Win-Win since tax payers benefit society and tax liabilities do not benefit society; financial liabilities like prisoners or ex-cons who can't get a decent paying job.

On a side note, 1/6 is about to generate 700 such cases. LOL Probably many more.

 

[Cypress]

Flight Attendants would prefer no alcohol aboard flights.

It's illegal to board a drunk but, unless the Captain knows about it, they often slip aboard. No test needed. Just a "You're drunk, you don't fly". Period.

I've thrown off a few drunks in my time.

I don't know what the alcohol situation on planes these days is, but I always liked those little mini bottles of booze. It was basically equivalent to one and a half shots of bourbon or vodka, just the perfect amount.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't know what the alcohol situation on planes these days is, but I always liked those little mini bottles of booze. It was basically equivalent to one and a half shots of bourbon or vodka, just the perfect amount.

Minis are still used. Nice selection too.

 

[Walt]

It balances the individual right to "get on with their lives" versus the right of a parent to know a pedophile was just hired to be a babysitter.

I agree that if it is a crime of child molesting, they should never be a teacher, but let's say someone was arrested for smoking marijuana when they were 18 years old, does that really play a part in whether they can work in a grocery store at age 50?

The box is overused.

It's a Win-Win since tax payers benefit society and tax liabilities do not benefit society; financial liabilities like prisoners or ex-cons who can't get a decent paying job.

The best thing former convicts can do is get out of prison, get a job, pay taxes, and not be a burden on the taxpayers. Prisoners are burdens on taxpayers.

On a side note, 1/6 is about to generate 700 such cases. LOL Probably many more.

And probably a dozen of them had jobs

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I agree that if it is a crime of child molesting, they should never be a teacher, but let's say someone was arrested for smoking marijuana when they were 18 years old, does that really play a part in whether they can work in a grocery store at age 50?

The box is overused.

The best thing former convicts can do is get out of prison, get a job, pay taxes, and not be a burden on the taxpayers. Prisoners are burdens on taxpayers.

And probably a dozen of them had jobs

So we're agreed there are levels of reporting to be considered with an eye toward both protecting the public and turning a tax liability into a tax asset. IMO, it would easier to set up increments. Some convictions must be reported for longer than others. Federal versus state or local ordinance. County versus state prison sentences. The former prisoners would know what is reportable and what is not as well as the employers and their lawyers.

About 2/3s of the arrested insurrectionists had previous mental health issues and another 2/3s had serious financial issues; e.g. large debt and poor financial decisions. I'm positive there is a lot of overlap between the two numbers.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/q...ntal-health-not-radical-extremism-11616703136

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_PIRUS_QAnon_Feb2021.pdf

 

[Walt]

So we're agreed there are levels of reporting to be considered with an eye toward both protecting the public and turning a tax liability into a tax asset. IMO, it would easier to set up increments. Some convictions must be reported for longer than others. Federal versus state or local ordinance. County versus state prison sentences. The former prisoners would know what is reportable and what is not as well as the employers and their lawyers.

About 2/3s of the arrested insurrectionists had previous mental health issues and another 2/3s had serious financial issues; e.g. large debt and poor financial decisions. I'm positive there is a lot of overlap between the two numbers.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/q...ntal-health-not-radical-extremism-11616703136

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_PIRUS_QAnon_Feb2021.pdf

I think I posted about him here, but there was a guy who was arrested for his fourth time after rioting at the Capitol Building. The previous three convictions (having sex with an underage girl, stealing a car, selling cocaine) were each treated as a first time offense, with the records sealed. It was an extreme example of white privilege, but I have seen similar examples among people I have known. Each time he claims it is a first offense, the judge believes him, and so seals the records so as not to destroy a promising young life. His first words on his fourth arrest was it was his first time in trouble with the law...

People living a happy life, where they are not in trouble, would not even think about trying to kill members of Congress. These were troubled people, many times with lengthy criminal records. All the deaths of rioters were at least partially drug related. Even Babbitt was high on drugs which I believe was part of the reason she was beating in a window. People who are thinking normally do not do such things.

 

[Into the Night]

The FAA standard for drunken pilots is half the driver one at 0.04%. Anything at 0.04% is considered intoxicated and usually ends up with the pilot doing time in prison.

No. The FAA does not put people into prison for this. He won't even lose his license for it. He is suspended from flying due to a medical condition until he can show he can maintain being sober when he flies. The FAA has put out a circular on this.

I have no sympathy for a pilot that is so stupid and irresponsible that s/he shows up drunk to fly and doesn't just call in sick from the hotel or home.

Neither do I. Neither does the FAA.

A JetBlue pilot was removed from the cockpit and registered 0.17% on a breathalyzer
A JetBlue pilot was removed from the cockpit of a Fort Lauderdale-bound flight by police at Buffalo Niagara International Airport in New York on Wednesday after registering a blood-alcohol level of 0.17%, more than four times the Federal Aviation Administration's limit of 0.04%.

The pilot was passing through airport security when a Transportation Security Administration officer noticed he was acting drunk, The Buffalo News reported. The officer notified Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority police, who administered a breathalyzer test. He was taken into custody before being released to JetBlue security personnel.

In this particular case, it is Fake News. The pilot never entered the cockpit, and was never removed from it. He was stopped by airport security. Since the flight did not have sufficient crew on board, it was delayed until another pilot could be assigned. The breathalyzer test was administered by local police. Since he also broke city law, he spent a bit of time in jail for THAT until he sobered up. You know, the 'drunk tank'. He may be charged with driving while intoxicated, if he drove a car to the airport.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think I posted about him here, but there was a guy who was arrested for his fourth time after rioting at the Capitol Building. The previous three convictions (having sex with an underage girl, stealing a car, selling cocaine) were each treated as a first time offense, with the records sealed. It was an extreme example of white privilege, but I have seen similar examples among people I have known. Each time he claims it is a first offense, the judge believes him, and so seals the records so as not to destroy a promising young life. His first words on his fourth arrest was it was his first time in trouble with the law...

People living a happy life, where they are not in trouble, would not even think about trying to kill members of Congress. These were troubled people, many times with lengthy criminal records. All the deaths of rioters were at least partially drug related. Even Babbitt was high on drugs which I believe was part of the reason she was beating in a window. People who are thinking normally do not do such things.

The facts prove a majority of them, about 2/3s, had mental health issues. Self-medicating with drugs is common among some forms of mental illness.

https://www.verywellmind.com/co-occurring-disorders-mental-health-and-addiction-4158280
The numbers do not lie. Mental illness and addiction often overlap. In fact, nearly 9 million people have a co-occurring disorder according to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Yet, only 7 percent of these individuals get treatment for both conditions. And nearly 60 percent receive no treatment at all.

 

[Into the Night]

Gods. What a maroon!

Gotta agree with you there. There is really no excuse to get drunk.

 

[Into the Night]

He was probably having trouble walking at that level of blood alcohol. He may have been able to barely hold it together and walk, but it was borderline. He was in no condition to drive, much less fly a commercial airline.

There are actually some very generous alcohol rehab packages if he turned himself in. Had he said before he entered the plane, "I have made a horrible mistake, and have shown up drunk. I should not fly." He would not be in legal trouble, and would probably keep his job. He would go through rehab, but if he is a bad enough drinker that he is showing up to work drunk, that might not be a bad idea.

That would all require him to admit he was less than perfect.

If you read the news article, he was. That was why he was stopped by airport security.

He will keep his job.
He will not lose his license.
He cannot fly due to a medical condition until he can show a medical examiner that he can maintain control over his drinking, or quit drinking alcohol completely.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No. The FAA does not put people into prison for this. He won't even lose his license for it. He is suspended from flying due to a medical condition until he can show he can maintain being sober when he flies. The FAA has put out a circular on this....

LOL What a fantasy life you must live, Sybil. In the real world, there are real consequences for one's actions. See examples below. What circular? You are misunderstanding again; there's a difference between turning oneself in for treatment and being caught red-handed trying to fly drunk.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-hans-arntson-sentenced-to-prison-for-flying-aircraft-while-drunk/
Former Alaska Airlines pilot sentenced to year in prison for flying while drunk

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/local-ne...ted-for-intoxication-before-flight-sentenced/

A Delta Air Line pilot who was arrested in July 2019 for being intoxicated before his scheduled flight out of Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, was sentenced Tuesday.
According to court records, Gabriel Lyle Schroeder, of Rosemount, will serve 30 days, the majority of which will be under home detention. He will also be required to spend one weekend in jail.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-59308991
An airline pilot has been jailed for 10 months after turning up drunk to fly a plane to the United States.
Glendon Gulliver, 63, was due to fly United Airlines flight UA162 from Glasgow to Newark on 2 August 2019.

 

[Into the Night]

Being a pilot, like being a teacher, aint what it used to be.

Being a pilot is still the same. Nuthin's changed, except that there is a real shortage of pilots right now. That problem has been building for the past several years. It became acute when many pilots quit due to covid nonsense.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't even think there should be bars at airports. Too many angry drunks complaining about face masks, and pilots falling off the wagon apparently.

My opinion about alcohol is that you should be able to wait for a few hours until your trip is over.

The FAA guidelines specify eight hours from the last drink (even a beer) before crew members fly. These are sensible. Lower air pressures mean the effects of alcohol are more pronounced.
As for unruly passengers, it's actually easier to get 'em off the plane or to prevent their boarding if they're drunk.

It's not just drunks complaining about the face masks, dude.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If you read the news article, he was. That was why he was stopped by airport security.

He will keep his job.
He will not lose his license.
He cannot fly due to a medical condition until he can show a medical examiner that he can maintain control over his drinking, or quit drinking alcohol completely.

Care to make a wager on this? I say he loses his ticket with no guarantee of having it or his job returned upon completing treatment. After a year he can reapply for his flight certificates, but the medical asks the specific question about alcohol arrests.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/alcohol.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...It's not just drunks complaining about the face masks, dude.

True. There's mentally ill and drug addicts too.